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Would greatly appreciate advice on dealing with this situation. I am a PMHNP working in a psychiatric outpatient practice in California for 3 years. The type of behaviors described below have happened a lot here and for the past 1.5 years, I have been one of the primary providers cleaning up these messes and I am sick of it. I have repeatedly complained to management, to no avail. NP AA, in particular, has done this over and over, also trying to dump any pt taking a controlled substance, including ADHD pts, on me. This is a long post.
This pt, Jane, an older female, had her first appt with me recently. Prior to that, she was seen by NP AA and NP BB (neither are PMHNPs). I was appalled by what the patient told me and what was documented in her chart by AA and BB. A summary of events is provided below.
1st appt - Intake by BB. The pt reported that her previous psychiatrist, that she had seen for 20 years, had very suddenly died recently. He had prescribed PRN Xanax for many years. Pt was very distressed by his sudden death, as she liked him very much. [The pt was stable on her med regimen at that time and did not ask for any adjustments.] The pt does not take Xanax every day . According to the pt, BB told pt that after her current RX of Xanax ran out, it would not be refilled. BB insisted that pt switch to clonazepam instead. Per my CURES review, pt had only had 2 refills of clonazepam in 2 years prior to this appt. Dx: anxiety and depression.
2nd appt – Talk therapy intake
3rd appt – F/U w/BB. BB wrote an RX for clonazepam and noted pt was compliant.
4th appt – F/U w/BB. Per the chart note, the pt reported the clonazepam was not working. This is consistent with what the pt told me. Pt was switched to diazepam.
5th appt – F/U w/AA. AA noted in chart: "Patient has no HX of BZD dependence "can go days without taking it" . . . emotional dependence 30 years of Xanax noted. States " No I won't take 80 mg of Prozac [this would be large increase].” Comment: Given pt's CURES record, this statement is ridiculous.
For some unfathomable reason, AA then proceeded to diagnose the patient with Narcissistic Personality Disorder! She noted the following behaviors in the pt's chart: "Jane exhibits symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder, characterized by a long-standing pattern of grandiosity (either in fantasy or actual behavior), an overwhelming need for admiration, and usually complete lack of empathy towards others. Jane has a grandiose sense of self-importance. Jane expects to be viewed as "special" even without appropriate achievement. She feels that her problems are unique and can only be understood by special people. Jane fishes for compliments, often with great charm. She has unreasonable expectations and expects favorable treatment from others. Jane has explosive outbursts, in which others are taken advantage of in order to gain an advantage.”
AA further documented:
N0 XANAX refills provided as requested - denied
NO future refills of BZD recommended
Vistaril 10 mg PRN
increased prozac 50 mg to 80 mg x 2 W recommended --patient resistant
FU w/ different provider in 2 W recommended
AA added following diagnoses to pt's chart:
Narcissistic personality disorder, F60.81 (ICD-10) (Active)
Patient's other noncompliance with medication regimen, Z91.14 (ICD-10) (Active)
Comments: AA is NOT qualified to diagnose Narcissistic Personality Disorder, or any other personality disorder, for that matter. In addition, personality disorders can't be diagnosed in one appt. The talk therapist did not note any indications of a personality d/o. Furthermore, during my appt with her, the pt did not exhibit ANY of the NPD behaviors noted in this chart note. She was very pleasant.
Why did AA dx the pt with noncompliance? The pt tried clonazepam and diazepam and reported those meds did not work for her. The pt did not want to take an increased dose of Prozac, which is her right. Her previous med regimen was working fine, and the pt was justified in not wanting to change it.
6th appt - f/u w/BB. After the appt, BB wrote a rather hysterical and spiteful non-chart note containing many untruths: "Patient had an appointment scheduled with me. She previously seen AA and was appalled that her medications are not working. She has been receiving Xanax from her previous provider, and per her story he cut her off Xanax. [Comment: Untrue. Dr. Rogerson died]. She was unhappy with me as well and asked "Who in the damned office can prescribe me Xanax ? I stated that per our medical director this office/ practice does NOT prescribe Xanax. [Comment: Untrue. While efforts are made not to do so, sometimespProviders here do indeed prescribe Xanax if other antianxiety meds do not work]. She said that "well, I guess we have nothing to talk about, do we?" and hang up on me. Patient does have a lengthy dependence on Benzodiazapines. [Comment: Untrue, and this is clear from CURES review]. In February 2023 I prescribed her 0.5mg of Clonazepam #60. She complained that it " did nothing for her" explaining she has panic attacks all day long. In March 2023 I prescribed Valium 5mg #60 and that did not work for her as well. She is, as it seems has a benzodiazepine addiction and plans on doctor shop.” [Comment: This is not true, based on CURES review and there is nothing to indicate the pt plans to "doctor shop.”] I advised for her to seek treatment before and she refused.” [Comment: Why would pt seek addiction treatment when she is not addicted?]
7th appt – f/u with me. I restarted pt on her original med regimen, as she had been stable on that for a long time.
Conclusion:
This sequence of events almost made me cry and I alternated between sadness and anger for quite some time. My philosophy when treating patients includes "if it ain't broke, don't fix it,” especially with older patients, as change can be upsetting for them. I learned this from my mentor on my first NP job. The conduct of the other NPs only further increased this pt's anxiety and caused her great distress. BB and AA also had ridiculous interpretation's of pt's statements. If a med does not work for patient, the patient has a right to say so and request an alternate med! That is NOT "noncompliance.” In addition, when a pt is treated as if they are an addict, they tend to get defensive! If pressed, the pt can become frustrated and irritable, as well. That does not mean they are an addict. In criminal law, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. AA takes the opposite approach, guilty until proven innocent. Treating patients who take controlled substances with such suspicion is not conducive to developing a therapeutic alliance, which is the most important factor in treatment success.
It is clear that BB and AA either did not bother to actually review the pt's CURES hx or did not understand it. As noted above, per CURES, the pt's RX history does NOT indicate benzo addiction! The pt on had 2 Xanax refills in 2 years!
AA wrote false documentation. This is unethical and it is also a crime. She is NOT qualified to dx narcissistic personality disorder and that dx can't be made based on 1 appt. This was simply spiteful and vindictive, as well as unethical. It is libel and could be viewed as elder abuse. Therefore, it represents a significant liability risk. This type of false documentation (personality d/o and addiction), if not corrected, can follow the pt and cause them a great deal of harm. This is an additional liability risk.
I am wondering if I should report the NPs to the State Nursing Board. I am sick of complaining to management and they seem to do nothing, because the behavior does not change. An especially outrageous example: I was on Xmas vacation. One of MY ADHD pts had his regular monthly appt w/another provider b/c I was out. That provider demanded, on Xmas Eve! That the pt go get an MRI or he would not get a refill. The pt was about to travel for his Xmas vacation, leaving later that day. Mgt tells me they will talk to these NPs, but it keeps happening, especially by AA!
djmatte said:Don't flatter yourself. Nobody here misses the desperate pleas for validation and empathy that only turn into long winded retorts and self victimization when people simply offer advice. It's a persistent theme with you around here. As evidenced by this and a few other recent posts.
I am sorry that you appear to have serious issues with me. It appears you are being triggered.
1. None of my comments on this post were directed at you. Therefore, your high degree of offense at my comments is baffling.
2. You seem to have an issue with me, or with the style of my writing, not with the actual content of my posts. I simply explained that I did not find some advice helpful, in fact it was hurtful, and explained why. I also cautioned against careless use of the term "setting boundaries." Do you feel providers just tell patients to "set better boundaries" whenever patients express emotional distress? When a friend comes to you because they are upset about something, do you just say "set better boundaries" no matter what? [Friend: I am so upset. I just got fired. You: You need to set better boundaries.] There is no logical reason for you to write such responses to me.
3. You have nothing of substance to say, but just make a personal attack against me.
4. I tried to lighten the tone with you, to no avail.
5. " history of . . . desperate pleas for validation and empathy . . ." Actually, I was venting and not sure what to do. As I stated, I resolved the problem, so am hardly engaging in "self-victimization." Furthermore, in the past, most of my posts were around debates regarding a perceived lack of NP positions (I disagreed), many doom and gloom posts about the perceived lack of NP opportunities for good jobs and pay (I had a more optimistic view), and whether or not RN experience should be required to become a primary care NP (no). I was proven right on all counts regarding those topics. I also provided a lot of advice on how and where new grads could get their first NP job.
6. There is nothing wrong in aggressively arguing for, or defending, one's viewpoint. Does anyone here want their lawyer to weakly argue?
Finally, you have a history of harassing me. A couple of years ago, you became very nasty with me and then even went to another forum to complain about me. I had to complain to the Allnurses moderators about you. If you wish to discuss/debate the content of my posts with me in a civil manner, great. Otherwise, I will report you. If you find me so annoying, then don't read my writing!
FiremedicMike said:
djmatte may be harsh, but not wrong. You do have a pretty extensive history of aggressively arguing any bit of advice or input that doesn't explicitly agree with your own perspective/agenda.
So what? If you disagree with the substance of my view, then feel free to engage in a civil debate.
See my response to djmatte.
FiremedicMike, BSN, RN, EMT-P
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djmatte may be harsh, but not wrong. You do have a pretty extensive history of aggressively arguing any bit of advice or input that doesn't explicitly agree with your own perspective/agenda.