Just wanted to start a thread about Seton Hall direct-masters CNL program. The only thing I could find on this forum dated back to 2014. I'll most likely be attending this program in the fall and I'm reaching out to see if there are any former CNL graduates that could give me some advice. I'm very iffy about the cost of the program.. and also the workload during the first two semesters. Do students end up dropping the program due to poor grades? Is it worth going? I read somewhere that the program is over 100k?
Yes! We can get through it, I have faith. Did you get a date for the mandatory orientation? Just making sure I didn't miss out on an email or letter. Youtube has informative videos? I'll have to look into it, thanks. On my interview, the one woman told me to get some books to help become familiar with the basic concepts, she told me kahn academy and they also make a book called patho made incredibly easy! Sold on amazon. I am from new jersey, I'm currently a special ed teacher in princeton. I live in north brunswick though so I don't think the commute will be too bad to seton hall, especially at the times we will need to be going there. How about you?
I haven't looked into scholarships yet, that is on my agenda to begin doing! I just finished up orgo chem so that was hectic, but now I'm free of classes to start focusing on all this stuff. I heard there are a lot of scholarships out there and grants too. I don't know where to begin looking, I'm bad at that stuff! Have you found anything?
Yes it should really be interesting this upcoming fall. I haven't heard anything but personally I can't wait for the white coat ceremony. I found one with nursecorp but the required a 2 year commitment post graduation. At this point I've been exploring the MSN CNL as a terminal degree. I see that people who hold these degree can work as Chief Nurses and DON's, after having gained a substantial amount of experience and having proved yourself of course. I have to refocuse and look for more scholarships because I don't think the program is actually 90k. I already have loans from my undergraduate degree so the prospect of owing that much more money is a little scary to me. I've been considering applying to Muhlenberg accelerated nursing program. Its 12 months about 30k but I would come out with an associates in science and a certificate in professional nursing. I would take the nclex-rn and work as a staff nurse while completing my bsn online. After that I could apply directly to my program of choice. Also, I think it would serve me well to see what specialty I'd like to explore. This program would start in January so I still have some time to weigh my options. But if nothing changes Ill definitely see you this fall. Afterall, I was accepted and have already paid my deposit.
Its a difficult decision. I just have to be well informed before I can be certain of where I'll actually end up. But as I previously stated Seton Hall is ahead by a long shot.
That's really funny your should mention Muhlenberg because I applied there also! They are waiting on me to take the TEAS test, which I am unsure if I am going to take now accepting Seton Hall. I am so torn too though! Muhlenberg would be 30k and we'd be done January 2018 and be able to sit for the Nclex soon after, almost around the same time we would be finishing the CNL program and done with a master's in the same time. Yes, about 80k more, but I have to think about the job pool for a diploma nurse, I don't know how competitive hospitals are and if they hire diploma nurses, I hear such mixed things it scares me. Then to go back for a BSN online, 1. how long would that take? another year? so now we are talking 2019, and 2. how much? Atleast 30k-40k? So no were close to 70k and still just have our BSN, and its 3 years later! So now we need to reapply to masters programs and say an NP program which is about 42 credits post BSN and say 1k a credit, so 42k plus books and whatever and say 2 years because I'm sure I'd do this part time while working. SOOO when its all said and done I think we are at the same 90k to begin with and a lot longer of a process. BUT there is a chance we could get employed with a diploma and possible a hospital would pay some remission towards a degree? You never know, it really is all a risk and I am just as confused! I literally go back and forth between Seton Hall and possibly Muhlenberg every night. For me, I feel like Seton Hall just has so much more to offer, like you said I dream of a white coat ceremony like that and being apart of the community and the fantastic clinical sites we will experience. You can't put a price tag on things like that. I really just DO NOT KNOW!
I bought the teas v book from ati but never really got into it. To piggy back off of ehst you were saying we would be done in a year and the rm to bsn program are under 10K. So overall we'd be looking at 40-45k for both degree and it would take us approximately 2 years. I think we need to have a clear understanding how the probationary status could potentially affect our cohort. With shu I like the fact that this can potentially be a terminal degree. I can get more accreditations afterwards but I want to actually work as a nurse and rise up to an administrative or managerial position. Plus I really like the role. Its all going to come down tonmoney. I saw someone post earlier its was full if warnings but I was undeterred. I can handle the curriculum and if the professors aren't that great I can always teach myself. We've all done it at one point. That's really the last thing on my mind for so long I wanted an opportunity and I got it. So my suggestions ate leys find some scholarship money and go for the CNL.
Congrats on the acceptance! I too will be attending this fall as long as everything goes well with this online organic chemistry course I'm currently taking Lol. Did you hear when the program actually starts and when the orientation will be ?
Congratulations on your acceptance as well. The program starts in September and the orientation should be mid to late August. I'm sure you'll do well in orgo chem, given whats on the line. Are you taking it from brookdale cc? Have you looked into scholarships yet? Are you planning or are in the process of applying to other nursing schools? Hope to hear from you, it's exciting were watching our cohort grow! If you have any questions I can try to answer them for you to the best of my abilities. With this program I like to think that I'm well informed. I spent countless hours researching the program. Now, I would like to actually talk to former and accepted students about the program so that we can better advise each other. Afterall, like I told Vicki089 were going into battle together. 2 years, 6 semesters, nonstop, graduate level course, Nursing course, etc... Just saying
Found some stuff on the program. Keep in mind that this is NOT the most recent curriculum, its from Fall 2010. However, I can't imagine that it has changed much. THIS IS MEANT TO SERVE AS A GUIDE, A TOOL THAT SHOULD GIVE YOU A GENERAL IDEAS AS TO WHAT TO EXPECT. I have no authority in issuing this file I simply found it doing some research and decided to share that with prospective and admitted students. If anyone has a curriculum that's more up to date, please share with us or feel free to make corrections. Hope it helps!!
How many credits are needed to complete the CNL program? The CNL is an 80-credit program to be completed as follows:
Year 1
Fall Semester 16 credits
Spring Semester 18 credits
Summer Semester 12 credits
Year 2
Fall Semester 13 credits
Spring Semester 11 credits
Summer Semester 10 credits
How long will it take to complete the program?
It will take 22 months (full-time) to finish the course of study
Year I: Fall Semester
Introduction to Nursing Leadership in Health Care Teams
This course explores the history of nursing leadership to the present with emphasis on the evolution of health care and health care delivery and an introduction to systems theory. Leadership is defined as it applies to both micro and macro systems. (1 credit)
Health Assessment and Clinical Skills
This course focuses on acquiring, analyzing and refining healthy assessment data as a basis for devising an accurate nursing problem list. Normal variations and abnormalities characteristic of various developmental, cultural and ethnic groups are featured. The laboratory-based exercises allow the student to practice assessment and clinical skills in a simulated patient care environment. (4 credits)
Clinical Role Development I: Nursing Care of Adults and Aged
This course provides students with the theoretical knowledge needed to deliver effective nursing care to adults and aged patients. Clinical experience emphasizes developing and applying health assessment and fundamental nursing skills learned in Health Assessment and Clinical Skills. (4 credits)
Pathophysiology
This course focuses on human response patterns, common to all ages, to internal and external stresses that result in physiological alterations. The intensive study of concepts will help students translate generalizations in to usable scientific knowledge applicable to nursing. (4 credits)
Pharmacology
This course provides nurses with a working knowledge of pharmaco-therapeutics, with emphasis on the therapeutic needs of the ambulatory patient, from childhood through older years. Includes basic concepts in qualitative and quantitative drug actions within the body. (3 credits)
Year I: Spring Semester
Leading Health Care Teams
This course introduces the student to the nursing role in leading health care teams and examines the principles of collaboration, coordination and change. Students learn principles of delegation, interdisciplinary teams and group processes as well as interpersonal communication skills. (1 credit)
Clinical Role Development II: Nursing Care of Persons with Psychiatric Illness
This course provides an opportunity to learn and use biopsychosocial concepts in the care of mentally ill of all ages and in a variety of hospital and community settings. The focus of the course is on assessment strategies, plans of care, nursing intervention, medication management and rehabilitative processes for individuals with a variety of acute and chronic mental health problems. (5 credits)
Clinical Role Development III: Nursing Care of Adults with Acute Health Problems
This course equips students with the knowledge and clinical skills necessary to provide safe, effective nursing care to adults experiencing acute illness and emphasizes critical thinking in making clinical judgments. Practical experience in acute care settings focuses on the principals of family-centered care and offers opportunities to provide care related to health promotion, risk reduction, disease prevention and illness management. (5 credits)
Ethical Issues in Nursing and Health Care
This course focuses on ethical issues encountered in nursing and health care environments that are influenced by professional, legal and societal concerns. Selected ethical decision-making models will be applied in professional nursing dilemmas that impact quality of care. (3 credits)
Theory and Evidence-Based Practice
This course further develops students' ability to critique individual research studies, conduct systematic literature reviews and use these abilities to address immediate clinical nursing problems. (4 credits)
Year I: Summer Semester
Clinical Role Development IV: Nursing Care of Childrearing Families
This course presents students with a framework for evaluating the health care needs unique to children – from birth to young adulthood – with emphasis on the family context. Students will also acquire knowledge and clinical skills necessary to assess and provide care for children and adolescents experiencing an episodic or acute illness. Clinical experience focus on the principles of family-centered care for health promotion, risk reduction, disease prevention and illness management. (5 credits)
Clinical Role Development V: Nursing Care of Childbearing Families
This course encompasses the care of childbearing families, spanning preconception planning and care through pregnancy, birth and family integration. The course covers the management of normal and high-risk pregnancy and explores the social, cultural, economic and other factors that impact the changing individual and family dynamics. (5 credits)
Legal Aspects of Nursing
This course reviews the rights, privileges and obligations of nurses in their relationship to each other, their employers, their patients and all providers of health care. Emphasis is place on developing the ability of the nurse to recognize and apply relevant legal concepts to insure his/her legal safety while providing optimal patient care. (1 credit)
End-of-Life Care
This course is designed for the student to develop an awareness of the dying process as a life transition. The focus will be on planning and evaluating nursing care which is culturally and spiritually sensitive to patient and family needs. (1 credit)
Year II: Fall Semester
Clinical Role Development VI: Community Health Nursing
This course emphasizes application of concepts, theories and competencies that are the foundation for population-focused nursing practice in the community setting which may include, but is not limited to, hospices, schools, child care or senior centers. Students will have the opportunity to engage in direct and indirect care to culturally diverse individuals, families and communities. (5 credits)
Clinical Role Development VII: Nursing Care of Critically Ill Individuals
This course focuses on the use of the nursing process in the management of complex health problems, including the use of advanced pharmacological therapies, with particular emphasis on the collaborative and independent functions of the nurse in an intensive, specialty and technologically advanced care environment. (5 credits)
Forces in Health Care
This course examines the issues and concepts relevant to an understanding of the relationships between social and economic networks, biomedical ethics and health policy. Emphasis will be placed on the process by which health care policy is formulated. (3 credits)
Year II: Spring Semester
Clinical Role Development VIII: Synthesis Practicum
This course provides students with the opportunity to integrate the knowledge and skills acquired from previous courses. Students refine clinical skills in group patient care delivery, prioritization and decision making in addition to exploring the nurse's role in a formal organization, the progression of leadership roles and responsibilities and begin the transition to professional nursing practice. (5 credits)
Organization of Health Care Environments
Students are introduced to the health care system as a laterally integrated care environment with a conceptual framework based on organizational theory. Students develop competency in nursing informatics to monitor and improve organizational and clinical performance. (3 credits)
Epidemiology and World Health
This course focuses on the distribution and determinants of health-related states or conditions in specified populations and the application of this study to control health problems. Students are presented with epidemiological models and methods in order to assess the health of individuals and populations. (3 credits)
Year II: Summer Semester
Clinical Nurse Leader in Health Care
This course offers a framework for a conceptual analysis of the CNL role with advanced application of leadership skills to actual and/or simulated problems. Students explore the context of professional nursing in the health care system, standards of ethical nurse leadership and higher-level theories involving lateral integration of care and organizational culture. (3 credits)
Clinical Nurse Leader Capstone Practicum
This course is an intensive clinical experience in an area selected by the student and faculty. The experience allows for full implementation of the clinical nurse leader competencies and includes a strong interdisciplinary practice focus. Seminars will be scheduled with faculty to discuss clinical progress and issues. A capstone project is required and will be presented at the end of the course. (7 credits)
Hi Mpking88! Thanks! No, I'm taking it at une because it's the only one I found that also has a lab... I'm also taking ethics and microeconomics and working 7 days a week and living at two of my jobs.. Can't wait to quit lol. So things are hectic for now but the other two classes end in two weeks so I can just focus on Chem.
Im not planning on applying to any other programs, are you? Yes I know it's growing and it's awesome !
As for scholarships, I haven't looked into any yet but I'd like to, I just haven't had time but I do plan to look.
Speaking to others will definitely help us all so that's a great idea. That's why I decided to check on this site again and see if anything new was going on since the last time I looked, no one really posted about Seton hall.
Battle is right! Haha Can't wait.
Do you live close to seton? I live out east on Long Island but I plan to stay with a friend who lives out there or another friend who just lives closer then I do.
thanks for the post on the program info! Definitely helps to get an idea of everything.
Hectic is a good way to describe it but I'm happy to hear that things will ease up for you in the near future. You're welcome for post I was happy to share it, It mot too much information on the program online, other than shu.edu. Fortunately, I live close that was one of the reasons I chose the program. Lastly, I think we need to understand the potential negative impact it can have on us if the program were to become suspended. If I'm not mistaken the college is on probation. This would mean that we would have to choose a different major or attend another nursing program. That's perhaps the most important information we need to know. Last thing we want is to be stuck with a large bill and no degree. So I encourage everyone to inquire and do some research. So far I haven't found out much.
Oh okay that's good that you live close. These direct entry masters programs are limited, so when I researched different schools I only saw about 1 or 2 max in each area. I didn't know this program was on probation that's definitely something to keep in mind. I see that the info is limited. I just looked it up as well.
Lol. Did you hear when the program actually starts and when the orientation will be ?
Can't wait.
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Yes! We can get through it, I have faith. Did you get a date for the mandatory orientation? Just making sure I didn't miss out on an email or letter. Youtube has informative videos? I'll have to look into it, thanks. On my interview, the one woman told me to get some books to help become familiar with the basic concepts, she told me kahn academy and they also make a book called patho made incredibly easy! Sold on amazon. I am from new jersey, I'm currently a special ed teacher in princeton. I live in north brunswick though so I don't think the commute will be too bad to seton hall, especially at the times we will need to be going there. How about you?
I haven't looked into scholarships yet, that is on my agenda to begin doing! I just finished up orgo chem so that was hectic, but now I'm free of classes to start focusing on all this stuff. I heard there are a lot of scholarships out there and grants too. I don't know where to begin looking, I'm bad at that stuff! Have you found anything?