Hi, a hot topic around our work is the closure of our hospital's nursing program and the 2020 deadline for all nurse's to be BSNs in the hospital. It isn't a set in stone ruling many employees who work for the hospital are hired on as ADNs and sign a contract that in such and such time frame achieve their BSN.
Any who most of the nurse's work with are second server's (New Word). Most have done their ADN skipped the BSN route and went straight for their MSN after becoming a nurse.
Curious how many second degreer's followed a similar path. I was set to do the ADN route. However, I can become a nurse quicker by doing the ADN route and spend less money if I did the BSN to MSN route.
I am cool if I have to work in a nursing home with my ADN. Love working with geri's and total cares, I am an odd duck...All the while achieving my MSN.
My goal is to work in community health, forensic nursing, and corrections.
Appreciate the feedback.
One quick side question: Many people say the ADN program is challenging due to material being crammed in instead of spaced out in a BSN program, feel any truth to that?
Appreciate the feedback. Been gung-ho doing the BSN program; year's back in college wanted to go BSN route but opted not to. I see a thinning job market for nurse's with associates. However, still a market there can be a nurse quicker and get going with experience.
Cheaper to as a MSN progeam is $40K. Save me an extra $20K in schooling.
I'm not sure how else to word this. I've already said it twice.
You already have a bachelor's degree. An associate's degree will NOT be faster. It will take the same amount of time as a bachelor's.
The reason for that is because you already have completed your gen eds, which is what makes a bachelor's take longer.
Go to both schools' websites. Print out the course requirements. Check off everything you have already taken. Look at what's left.
Adjust the amount the bachelor's degree will cost based on what is left. I do believe your estimates on total tuition are incorrect (high). I also think your estimated time to MSN may be incorrect, if you're looking at ADN-MSN. I'm curious which schools you are looking at.
WCSU, on a side note, I have this overwhelming urge to try to edit all your posts and delete all the apostrophes. LOTS of apostrophes. When you feel you should put one in front of an s at the end of a plural word......just say "NO" :)
I was with you on your post, right up until this part. It doesn't make sense to me. Someone who is Master's prepared is educated BEYOND the BSN level. If an employer is seeking someone with a BSN, then someone with an MSN has more than met that requirement. The employer would be seeking someone with a minimum of a Bachelor's but they are hardly going to shun someone with a still higher education. That employer would seem foolish, IMHO, if they were honestly tell an applicant for an entry-level RN position "sorry, we want a BSN....you have a Master's.....you have to 'go backwards and get a BSN even though you have exceeded that".
Or am I misunderstanding something?
that's not how the world works. If you have an MSN, it is only natural you would want more $$ for the additional years of schooling that you took (even f you are not requesting it, HR will think that is the case and won't even look at you if you applied for a BSN position). it comes down to money, not whether you are overqualified or not. Hospitals look at the dollar. they need BSN's because it's marketing for them to attract patients; they don't need MSN's to do that.
Actually it may be shorter to get the ASN then the BSN with a previous BA or BS. It depends on what gen eds you took. Did you take chemistry? An ASN does not require that. There are also several classes that BSN students get that ASN students don't. If it were a matter of gen eds why would a BSN be necessary? There are a few institutions that will do a BA to MSN with some remediation for BA, RNs.
that's not how the world works. If you have an MSN, it is only natural you would want more $$ for the additional years of schooling that you took (even f you are not requesting it, HR will think that is the case and won't even look at you if you applied for a BSN position). it comes down to money, not whether you are overqualified or not. Hospitals look at the dollar. they need BSN's because it's marketing for them to attract patients; they don't need MSN's to do that.
I'm aware of how the world works, Nurse2B, LOL....but you missed the point of what I was responding to. I understand Economics 101
The person I was speaking to had said that those RNs who had taken the ADN-MSN route (and therefore did not possess a stand-alone "BSN" degree) would be told they couldn't have a job with Acme Hospital because they "did not have a BSN". MY point was that they DID have the education that was asked for....and more, of course.
The person I was responding to was suggesting that since the applicant "didn't have a BSN" they wouldn't qualify for the job. My point is that they most certainly did. I wasn't talking at all about someone being overqualified, and neither was the poster with whom I was speaking.
Employers who demand a BSN are attempting to cater to an uninformed public that their hospital provides better care and should be the hospital that Joe Public should choose to spend their government dollars at. These employers have no clue nor do they care what the difference between an ADN, BSN or MSN knowledge base is. They want a BSN because they can use it in their marketing propaganda.
The whole Magnet Status thing has gotten so twisted. It was initially meant to signify a hospital with a nurse-friendly environment that attracted nurses. Now it is being used to attempt to attract patients and the dollars that accompany them. Thus, as a future employee, since all RNs are equal, you are attractive to them for the initials after your name.
I would like this ten gazillion times if I were allowed!!
WCSU, on a side note, I have this overwhelming urge to try to edit all your posts and delete all the apostrophes. LOTS of apostrophes. When you feel you should put one in front of an s at the end of a plural word......just say "NO" :)
I feel better now!
I knew there was something fuzzy about those posts but I just kept wiping my glasses'ss.
I'm aware of how the world works, Nurse2B, LOL....but you missed the point of what I was responding to. I understand Economics 101
The person I was speaking to had said that those RNs who had taken the ADN-MSN route (and therefore did not possess a stand-alone "BSN" degree) would be told they couldn't have a job with Acme Hospital because they "did not have a BSN". MY point was that they DID have the education that was asked for....and more, of course.
The person I was responding to was suggesting that since the applicant "didn't have a BSN" they wouldn't qualify for the job. My point is that they most certainly did. I wasn't talking at all about someone being overqualified, and neither was the poster with whom I was speaking.
I think you missed my point also. I'm disagreeing with you. Those two scenarios you are responding to do not have a BSN, they are in fact overqualified and for the economics reason that you understood, is why they would not get the job.
I think you missed my point also. I'm disagreeing with you. Those two scenarios you are responding to do not have a BSN, they are in fact overqualified and for the economics reason that you understood, is why they would not get the job.
Then you're disagreeing with something I wasn't talking about at all. I was focusing on the definition of "having" a degree; you are talking about the likelihood of being hired with a HIGHER degree. Different argument, and not one I'm going to disagree with you on, as from an ECONOMIC standpoint, you are correct. However...that IS NOT what I was saying.
But since you are wanting to talk economics, then yes, you would be correct (most of the time, but not all of the time). I guess because where I work it's not uncommon to have an MSN-prepared nurse doing direct patient care (and those holding higher degrees ARE paid more for them, even doing the same job as someone with a lower degree) I see it as less of an issue. And even when I've worked places that didn't pay more for a higher degree, they certainly didn't see someone who "jumped over" a degree as "not having it". THAT is what I was speaking on. Different topic. Not economics, but semantics.
I still think it's absurd to refer to someone who has done an ADN-MSN program (and graduated) as "not having a BSN". THAT is the part that I'm saying is ridiculous to assert, that's all. It'd be like saying someone who graduated from a diploma nursing school and is a licensed RN--who then completes an RN-BSN program---as "doesn't have an ADN". No....they DO have an Associate's education--and more. Suppose an advertisement says, under 'Requirements', that the applicant must be a high school graduate. An applicant shows up who dropped out of high school but earned a GED, and now has an Associate's degree. Would the employer then say "Sorry, you AREN'T a high school graduate, you're not eligible for the position"? Of course not. Stupid to even contemplate. The employer can absolutely choose to not hire the applicant because the employer thinks his being "overqualified" will mean he is more likely to leave to take a better job. But he is not going to choose to not hire him because he isn't eligible.
At any rate, it doesn't really matter what picky details we look at: if the employer is going to use "BSN" as the only degree that will be acceptable in a given position, they are going to hire that way, silly definitions and all.
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I'm not sure how else to word this. I've already said it twice.
You already have a bachelor's degree. An associate's degree will NOT be faster. It will take the same amount of time as a bachelor's.
The reason for that is because you already have completed your gen eds, which is what makes a bachelor's take longer.
Go to both schools' websites. Print out the course requirements. Check off everything you have already taken. Look at what's left.
Adjust the amount the bachelor's degree will cost based on what is left. I do believe your estimates on total tuition are incorrect (high). I also think your estimated time to MSN may be incorrect, if you're looking at ADN-MSN. I'm curious which schools you are looking at.