I've been going back and forth with this particular school about my chemistry that I have. It's from George Washington University the chemistry that I did, but it's on my military transcripts and the GWU transcripts make it seems like its vocational when it isn't. So I pulled up the right transcripts that says its undergrad and sent them over. This is what my transcripts say.
Clinical Chemistry 7SH
General Chemistry 5SH
Clinical Chemistry 4SH
This is the response I received back.
After careful review of your chemistry credit it has been determined that it will not fulfill our chemistry prerequisite requirements. We require applicants to take inorganic and organic chemistry, and your transcript states credit in "clinical chemistry".
I attached a list of our required prerequisite courses for the Traditional BSN degree. We accept in-state and out-of-state transfer credits, as long as they are obtained from a regionally accredited institution.
THEN. I was like, I cannot keep e-mailing like this, and then wait 3 days for an answer so I called.
I said NOTHING on the prereqs says anything about inorganic and organic chemistry. It only says 6 hours of Chemistry.
So then, she said fine, your General Chemistry can count as Chem 101(so much for "careful review"). She said it was only 5 credits not 6. I don't understand WHY they won't take clinical chemistry. I know it counts. I just need to send her the course descriptions and objectives tomorrow. This is so frustrating to me. Does this make any sense to you all???
I don't think any of us have been negative nor demeaning. There are unpleasant realities in life. I hope you win your battle...however there are prices sometimes for being right. I have lived....a lot. I think many were just trying to share experience and life with you.... to save you from possible heartache ans strife..... whether you use that advice is your choice.
Have I fought battles and won...you bet I have! but I have also learned when to take the path less adversarial. Everything has a price each individual has to determine for themselves if the price is worth it.
I have a favourite quote.....
"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted".......Ralph Waldo Emerson
I appreciate what most all of you have to say. Trust me, I don't want to rock the boat that's why I am being respectful with the admissions/registrar. Unfortunately when you're only able to e-mail each other things don't get interpreted correctly, there is misunderstandings, and then you throw military transcripts that really come from a University into the mix and it gets confusing. Even one of the people in the registrar said it, and its all most likely a misunderstanding. They said they are about to graduate a class and start a new one so next week the person I spoke with on the phone today said she would look at it and it most likely wouldn't be a problem. I only pursued it because what they said wasn't making sense to me. Take this for example. Say you hand someone a piece of paper and on the piece of paper it says "ABC". So the person you handed the paper to says "Sorry, there is no B on this paper" so you hand it back and point at the B saying, "Look, here is the B" And then they say sorry, there is no C on this paper, and you hand it back and point at the C proving it is there. I honestly would accept it having to retake Chemistry, but I think I deserve an accurate course evaluation. Would you not do the same thing if what they were saying wasn't making sense? If later you found out that in the end you were right, and you already spent hundreds of dollars on two retaken classes wouldn't you think back and say "I really should have taken a closer look at that so maybe I wouldn't have had to do this again" I really am finding it hard to believe that in my position the majority of you wouldn't have pushed it. Especially when there are several people confused by the schools intentions as well. I appreciate the advice, but I think like the school, it's just not understood what exactly is happening here. Another good example that happened with these stupid transcripts is one school was convinced they were all vocational and they wouldn't take ANYTHING, not my Chemistry, not my Microbiology, nothing. Well these classes actually have 2 transcripts, the University side, and the Army side. The Army transcript clearly states they aren't vocational, they are undergrad classes for which I've been able to apply to my Associates of Health Sciences. See, I didn't push the vocational thing with that school because I believed it. I trusted that school when they said they were vocational and wouldn't count. But a few months later I found out they weren't vocational at all! This whole pre-nursing thing is very confusing at times, especially when trying to transfer military, out of state education. /phew!
Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
Oh Honey....((HUGS)) We have all been there....I'm not saying that you shouldn't fight....I'm just saying that there are time limits sometimes to how long you can beat a dead horse...and realize it's still dead. I guess that is sometimes the passion of youth. TRUST me I can go toe to toe with the very best, and if I start the conversation, I know the final answer...and I know I'm right. This will serve you well in nursing...that attention to detail and to fight for what is right. However, you will have to learn to choose which battles are important enough to wear the consequences with pride.
Two examples...
1) I was a supervisor and went to start an IV on a small petite 7yo girl with a septic knee. When I was done starting the IV I went to hang the antibiotic I noticed the dose was WAT TOO MUCH for this small child. I realized that the MD ortho (not a pedi ortho) ordered it and the pharmacy filled it. I called pharmacy and asked them why......they were horrified, They filled it thinking that the weight was 80kg (170lbs) and not 80lbs (36kg) and of course...this drug (toxic to the liver) was the nurses error for giving it for almost 3 days and it landed in the nurses lap to call the MD. This MD was known for being a donkey behind so I called him myself. He threatened me, my job, the nurses, the nurses jobs because no one would hang the higher dose....after all THE WAS THE MD! He said he was going to come in and hang it himself (it was 3am) and I told him he still would not hang the IV at that dose. He was going to have me fired!
In some facilities....I probably could have, or would have, been fired. I knew the risk and I decided that if they fired me then I couldn't work at a facility that practiced unsafely. I did not relent. Of course come morning I told my boss my tale that night...ad low and behold....there was the donkey in the CEO office demanding my resignation....and of course they were going to report me to the BON. The CEO, who was also a donkey behind, told me to apologize or I would be fired....my boss was a mealy mouthed thing, did nothing to back me up. I refused and told him he would have to fire me and deal with the state and the medical commission as well as my lawyer provided by my malpractice insurance for wrongful termination because the continued dose to this child will cause her liver failure and I would report them all....and that I was going to tell the family how dangerous this was to their child....the CEO realized that this situation needed another approach
When the CEO realized the lawsuit from the family would not be a good thing.....the indignant MD stormed out of the office and I went home to bed at 11am. While I kept my job...they never really liked me after that...cest la vive! TOO BAD!
2) Strangely at the same facility......I found the sleep MD one night in respiratory arrest one night....what a nightmare! I couldn't get in because I didn't have a key. I could hear the in house beeper beeping ( which I told the floors to keep beeping so I could find the MD or make them finally call back) The was no way to call for help for the phones didn't really work well at night as there were no operators...all calls went to the ED and I knew they were busy with a multiple victim trauma (a situation I pointed would someday be a big deal) after a comedy of errors and a broken door (ok so I broke the door) I sent the security guard to the ED for help (in another building through a tunnel) with no equipment I started mouth to mouth...she had a pulse...placed her on the bedspread...and drug her, on the floor, to the ED .....while stopping to give mouth to mouth...until I ram into the ED staff to help. The MD thankfully survived and was flown to a city hospital..... with meningitis and respiratory arrest post seizure.
This faility refused to tell me anything about the MD condition. They refused prophylactic treatment because the "exposure was minimal". They refused to address any of the safety concerns and my sentinel event report disappeared from the system. I went to another ED for immediate treatment which they refused to pay for. They fired me for confidentiality and HIPAA for talking about a patient. I knew pressing the issue would cost me my job...but it was worth it to me. I accepted the personal consequences.....however in the long run the regretted the error of their ways. The state and other governing agencies led them to see the error of their ways.
The moral of my stories??? Pick your battles wisely and realize the consequences of being right for no good deed goes unpunished.
So when people give their opinion....remember these are Just words of caution from very wise peers....((HUGS))
TexRN, BSN, RN
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I appreciate what most all of you have to say. Trust me, I don't want to rock the boat that's why I am being respectful with the admissions/registrar. Unfortunately when you're only able to e-mail each other things don't get interpreted correctly, there is misunderstandings, and then you throw military transcripts that really come from a University into the mix and it gets confusing. Even one of the people in the registrar said it, and its all most likely a misunderstanding. They said they are about to graduate a class and start a new one so next week the person I spoke with on the phone today said she would look at it and it most likely wouldn't be a problem. I only pursued it because what they said wasn't making sense to me. Take this for example. Say you hand someone a piece of paper and on the piece of paper it says "ABC". So the person you handed the paper to says "Sorry, there is no B on this paper" so you hand it back and point at the B saying, "Look, here is the B" And then they say sorry, there is no C on this paper, and you hand it back and point at the C proving it is there. I honestly would accept it having to retake Chemistry, but I think I deserve an accurate course evaluation. Would you not do the same thing if what they were saying wasn't making sense? If later you found out that in the end you were right, and you already spent hundreds of dollars on two retaken classes wouldn't you think back and say "I really should have taken a closer look at that so maybe I wouldn't have had to do this again" I really am finding it hard to believe that in my position the majority of you wouldn't have pushed it. Especially when there are several people confused by the schools intentions as well. I appreciate the advice, but I think like the school, it's just not understood what exactly is happening here. Another good example that happened with these stupid transcripts is one school was convinced they were all vocational and they wouldn't take ANYTHING, not my Chemistry, not my Microbiology, nothing. Well these classes actually have 2 transcripts, the University side, and the Army side. The Army transcript clearly states they aren't vocational, they are undergrad classes for which I've been able to apply to my Associates of Health Sciences. See, I didn't push the vocational thing with that school because I believed it. I trusted that school when they said they were vocational and wouldn't count. But a few months later I found out they weren't vocational at all! This whole pre-nursing thing is very confusing at times, especially when trying to transfer military, out of state education. /phew!