Retired nurses displacing new grads?

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My daughter is in the process of applying for a BSN program (the competitiveness of these programs could be the subject of another post). Even though she has a 3.8 her first semester and a 4.0 in science so far, the supplementary criteria and assumption of B's for classes in progress make this Fall not so sure of a thing. The nursing information session was attended by very few college age kids. Many attendees appeared to be on second careers with possibly previous Bachelors Degrees in other majors. It seems like the supplementary criteria could work in their favor. It is anticipated that less than 10% of the applicants will be admitted into the program.

Anyway, the difficulty of just getting into the program has caused me to do a little checking on the career. I was amazed to find that there is an abundance of nurses right now. Most people that you talk to think that there is still a nursing shortage. I've seen a few articles stating that foreign nurses are at least somewhat responsible for the nursing glut. And I've seen a few articles talk about how retired nurses are returning to the field leaving few opportunities for new grads. I've also read, though, there is still a projected nursing shortage in the not so distant future.

I'm posting to get some insight from all walks of this field. Potential nursing students, nearing grads, recent grads, current nurses, Human Resources Specialists, Hospital Administrators, and anyone else that I left out that might have some insight into the current and future nursing job market.

I do have some special questions, though, for the HR's and administrators out there: If the future does have a likely shortage, why wouldn't you make long term hiring decisions? To hire a retiree back into the system only gets you a few years worth of work. At the same time, you have several unemployed graduating classes that will likely lose their skills. The expense to educate these classes was not only incurred by the student and possibly the government, but from what I understand, from many hospitals. The program that my daughter is applying to used to have twice as many seats available due to local hospital grants. I bring that up just to show that hospitals have invested in these new grads. Why would they let not just the long term capacity of nursing go by the wayside, but why would they let their direct investments get exchanged for the short term work that a retiree can provide? And, I would imagine that an experienced nurse returning to your hospital commands a much higher wage than a new grad. There may be more training involved, but it would seem that it would be more than worth it in the long (and maybe even the short run). I guess my questions are: is there truth to the notion that retirees are displacing new grads? What about foreign nurses? If so, what is the logic behind it?

Specializes in Telemetry.

I agree with you!!!! I am a new grad who cannot find a job anywhere. Out of my class of 35 only 5 have RN jobs and just because they already worked at the hospitals! I can see that short term this makes financial sense for the hospitals but long term there are going to be consequences and problems. I even spoke to a recruiter at a local hospital who told me that they realize they will probably have problems in the future but they are forced to not hire new grads from the higher management.

A lot of us new grad will have to leave nursing because we do have to work and support ourselves. I am looking for a non nursing job at the moment, I don't have anyone who can support me so I need to work. The same recruiter told me to continue my education and get a BSN. But I need money to pay for my BSN and without a job I can't even do that. It's a really bad situation we found ourselves in, I wish I could say that it'll get better but I don't really believe so!

The choice is obvious? Well what about all the new grads with no job? What is going to happen when tons of new nurses just go and do something else. What is going to happen when the word gets out that you can't get a job as a new grad nurse. My wife just saw an article about how the ANA sent a letter to hospitals warning them of this. This is very short sighted. School enrollment at my school has already dropped. I have started looking for non nursing jobs. This practice is just going to cause huge problems in the future. Then you will really need us no experienced nurses. Hope there are enough.
Specializes in Oncology/Haemetology/HIV.

Several issues:

First, foreign nurses are not being brought in nearly like they have in the past. Immigration of nurses is close to a standstill with retrogression in place, it is taking 5 or more years of wait. Take in to account that there is frequently no work available in their home nation and many are opting for other countries over the USA. Due to crackdowns by ICE, fewer are able to get around laws than in the past. H1b visas are very difficult to obtain and keep. So barring marrying at citizen, there are no easy accesses.

Second, age discrimination is illegal.

Third, this is a RECESSION, not business as normal. So many of the people most affected by the plunge in stocks were soon to be retirees. This means that they are delaying leaving as they CANNOT afford to retire now. How do you realistic expect them to step aside from all of their professions? In addition, this recession has affected many primary bread winners. Many of the women that I work with would love to work fewer hours, but with DH out of work, it is not feasible.

Fourth, hospitals like businesses often are focused on the shortterm, as if they don't, there will be no longterm. That means they need nurses that can work full out now. As mentioned, orientation and training of new grad costs between 40K and 100K, and takes 6 months to two years. Many facilities require 2 year contracts for CC units because of the expense, risk, and poor economic returns of new grads.

Fifth, many new grads do not stay with their first job very long. I work for a top rated facility in the USA. Even with excellent conditions and decent pay and them having made a personal promise to stay at least 3 years, we lost about 30% to 50% within 2 years in one group. Some were due to life changes, but still. The facility made major investment in CC and specialty training, and with their name on the resume, made it easy to get another job. They were quite expensive to the training facility.

Sixth, the vast majority of new young nurses have a lot of life changes to go through and growth to do. Many are not the most mature in behavior, something that comes with time. They also are less likely to be married or have many obligations. They can work full out........ but then, the marriage and hubbie doesn't like me working weekends, and I need fewer hrs because he wants at home, and we're trying to get pregnant. Then we are pregnant, and I can't lift much/ call in a lot/ can't take certain pts and then have to be on bedrest/off for 6 months, but want more regular hours when I come back.

Is there anything wrong with this? No but it can be problem. Recently, we had 9 nurses expecting in one year, along with a number that were "exposed", or in the case of males, trying to start a pregnancy. Trying to find enough staff for caring for a retonovir pt (no one male or female that were expecting to start a pregnancy in the next 6 monthes, or currently pregnant) was a nightmare and more so when the pt coded.

And while more experienced nurses may get paid more, often it is not that much more. In some facilities, we max out quickly on pay scales. The difference in payscale in the total compensation package may not be all that significant.

Older workers also usually hVe proven track records and if successful, have often developed business manners and behavior, that sometimes are in shorter supply. I have to continually remind students not to eat anywhere but the lounge, have dealt with those that had to be pried away from the cell phone and Facebook, come in/call in from hangovers, must have fake nails, and you can see the color of their leopard thong panties ( this includes some male nurses) through their white scrubs. At a recent job fair for nurses, some were training interview with poorly behaved children in tow, or as bad, with parents in tow and the parents were badgering the recruiters. Not good.

While older nurses may do some of the same things, it is generally rarer.

Specializes in being a Credible Source.
Second, age discrimination is illegal.
So is speeding but it (also) happens routinely.
So is speeding but it (also) happens routinely.

I and others have actually had blatant remarks made to us during the hiring process making age discrimination practices clear and unmistakable. Pretty good when the employers know they can be open in their discriminatory practices with no thought to negative consequences. It has happened to me more than once and I'm not really that old.

Specializes in being a Credible Source.
I and others have actually had blatant remarks made to us during the hiring process making age discrimination practices clear and unmistakable. Pretty good when the employers know they can be open in their discriminatory practices with no thought to negative consequences. It has happened to me more than once and I'm not really that old.
I have been in hiring meetings with three different employers in which blatant age discrimination took place. It is the norm, not the exception.
Specializes in Tele Step Down, Oncology, ICU, Med/Surg.

As a a new grad RN in her 40's (but who is fit and healthy and who can run circles around most 20 year olds), I had a hard time landing employment. It took me a year and I was hired where I precepted so they could see first hand that I am flexible and eager to learn.

As a rule, the younger new grads of my graduating class of Dec '09 had an easier time of it. One of the best nursing students in my class is a wonderful nurse in her early 50's and she still has yet to find employment despite completing her second externship. Another wonderful nurse is a dear friend in her 30's--kind, organized, studious and a hard worker-- who just keeps getting close and interviews but missing out to a younger person.

One wonders.

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