regarding borderline patients

[hsieh]

i read on the forums nurses resentments toward "borderline" patients. look at it like this. our country enables "borderline" behavior. if you scream suicide or self harm yourself we have built hospitals and paid health care prof to take care of them. we also have laws that say if you cry suicide or self harm we can "lock" you up. we also have laws if you cry suicide or self harm and a health prof doesn't "take care" of you you can sue them. i know many people from africa. they don't have "borderline personalty" disorders there. so next time you get "resentfull" of a "borderline" patient remember if we didn't live in a country that makes laws saying you have to "take care" of these people, or build hosp to house them, or pay health prof to take care of them, then we would not have this prob. so it's not the patient to blame but the "system". basically our "system" has invented "borderline" patients.

[ktwlpn, LPN]

in fact i have a friend from malawi (can't spell) who worked at the psych hosp with me and said in her country if you say you want to kill yourself they give you a rope and say do it.

I'm so thankful I'm in America where we treat mental disorders like the diseases they truly are.....I was also NOT aware that Africa is on the cutting edge of medical technology according to the OP....My question to the OP is "What are you doing in YOUR work environment to help your co-workers better understand the disorder and it's treatment? I can't tell by your posts if you agree or disagree with your African friends way of thinking...Just because many of your co-workers consider these people "drama queens" does not mean they (co-workers) are correct.Their judgemental attitudes does not negate the diagnosis.Or are YOU saying that you now believe there is no such thing? Your posts are a bit contradictory...And as someone else pointed out-Africans are more worried about basic survival then mental health-do you want to live like that? Get a passport-bye bye

[cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN]

if not africa, how about the center of the amazon rain forest? people laughed at the wright brothers when they wanted to invent a "flying machine". "borderline" are seriously developmentally disabled - they need drastic measures like a drastic change in enviroment. this way they will develope. africa and the amazon are just my ideas of drastic change of enviroment.

You're out of control. Perhaps seeking a little attention for yourself and your 'sense of humor'?

Not funny.

[hsieh]

to mercyteapot - yes i'm serious. have you ever met anybody who went to the army or peace corp and they came back a little more developed? pd is a developmental disease. to ktwlpn - why do you think because africa is not techologically developed like us that means emotionally/spiritually they must be less developed than us? i think because of their living conditions they would be more emot/spirit developed. therefore - pd who are developmentally disabled need to go to a place that they will learn to develop. they're not going to learn in it our system. maybe the reason clinicians say pd are so hard to cure is because of the enviroment they are trying to cure them in.

[cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN]

the woman that i know who has a borderline personality disorder has it due to being raped repeatedly throughout her childhood by her father. her mother knew about it and turned a blind eye. her soul was damaged as a child and it will remain damaged until she takes her last breath. no amount of "time" in africa, afghanistan, india or any other country is going to change how she feels about herself inside. this isn't about needing attention-not in the way you think. your inability to recognize these simple characteristics and needs in your patient population not only makes you unacceptable to be their nurse, but unacceptable to be any patient's nurse.

[LydiaNN]

BPD is not a developmental disorder, it is a mental illness. Repeating your claim to the contrary doesn't make it so. And comparing Peace Corps volunteers to people with psychiatric conditions is pointless. Peace Corps volunteers are carefully screened to ensure they don't have any psychological or psychiatric conditions. They're not traveling to Africa for treatment, they're traveling there to offer their services. And many of them who travel there are healthcare volunteers who are helping people in third world nations improve the state of their medical and psychological care, which makes your comparison all the more ironic.

[hsieh]

does anybody else have any other alternate ways of helping personality disorders develop so they can be set free from their suffering? 2 quotes off the top of my head for this are - one from john lennon - "i always wanted to quit the beatles but i was afraid to step out of the palace". one from edward hoagland - "in order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semihuman. the point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming partly dog".

[ktwlpn, LPN]

to ktwlpn - why do you think because africa is not techologically developed like us that means emotionally/spiritually they must be less developed than us? i think because of their living conditions they would be more emot/spirit developed. therefore - pd who are developmentally disabled need to go to a place that they will learn to develop. they're not going to learn in it our system. maybe the reason clinicians say pd are so hard to cure is because of the enviroment they are trying to cure them in.

Again-BPD is NOT a developmental disorder-so "going to Africa" won't fix it.....

It does not matter who is more "emotionally or spiritually developed" I doubt that the poor folks in this country are proud to be more emotionally and spiritually developed then the rest of us.I bet it is not an important part of their lives say,in the Appalachians....And what does it mean to be "more emot/spirit. developed? I think you are just stirring the pot for attention...peace out.....

[hsieh]

thunderwolf said it was a deveopmental disorder. i started the tread because of all the negative things i have heard people say about bpd at work and on the forum. the hosp i worked one psychiatrist said about a particular revolving door bpd pt "this is one of those pt you just want to euthanize". do you think this psychiatrist should not be one? would you tell him off if he said that in front of you? what do you think would happen to your job as nurse if you told a doctor off? the forums are for discussion and debate or to give and receive info. if one doesn't like a debate topic then look elsewhere. i want to discuss or debate all the negative feelings people have against bpd in hopes that people will not feel so negatively against bpd. if you already don't feel negative against bpd then i guess you wouldn't need to read this forum.

[LydiaNN]

thunderwolf said it was a deveopmental disorder. i started the tread because of all the negative things i have heard people say about bpd at work and on the forum. the hosp i worked one psychiatrist said about a particular revolving door bpd pt "this is one of those pt you just want to euthanize". do you think this psychiatrist should not be one? would you tell him off if he said that in front of you? what do you think would happen to your job as nurse if you told a doctor off? the forums are for discussion and debate or to give and receive info. if one doesn't like a debate topic then look elsewhere. i want to discuss or debate all the negative feelings people have against bpd in hopes that people will not feel so negatively against bpd. if you already don't feel negative against bpd then i guess you wouldn't need to read this forum.

I have a lot of trouble following your rationale sometimes. Yes, the purpose of the forums is discussion. That's what we're doing here. Discussing. Also, your comments are all over the place, so it is hard to address them all in one post. I don't care who said that BPD is a developmental disorder. That doesn't change my contention (one in which I am backed up by all the literature I can find, so I'd love to see something that identifies it otherwise) as a mental illness. As far as the psychiatrist's remark, it would really depend on my relationship with him as to whether I'd consider it inappropriate. If it was someone with whom I worked regularly, I would take it for what it probably was- venting with a colleague he assumed he could trust. If it was said to me by a stranger, I'd be surprised that he would make a remark so subject to offend in front of someone he didn't even know. I would probably still assume it was venting, though. I could understand why you felt frustrated with the thread if it had been hijacked, but IMHO, you seem to want to dictate the direction that the conversation is taking anytime it veers off your narrow identified focus of the negative remarks you've heard made. It is awfully difficult to limit a discussion on such an important and complex topic to one person's anecdotal experience.

[hsieh]

maybe i should have named the thread - people who hate boderline personality disorder people read this.

[Gompers, BSN, RN]

maybe i should have named the thread - people who hate boderline personality disorder people read this.

Why in the world are you getting so defensive? I'm starting to wonder if it's you that has Borderline Personality Disorder and you're picking our brains about it, trying to get us to say what you want to h ear.

[sirI, MSN, APRN, NP]

thread closed pending staff review.