*~Question About Retrogression & Foreign Nurses Already In US*~

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I have friends who are here in the US on a work visa, and they're from Canada. Does the retrogression affect people already in the US who are on work visa? Or does it just affect people who are trying to come here?

Also, are there any other countries who have something similar to the US retrogression at this time? Or is it just the US that has it in place.

Thanks

Suzanne, thanks for the replies, but I also want to add that these nurses haven't practice nursing in their home country. Also, they're about 20 or 21 so I'm assuming that they're recent grads as well. These are the ones that I question their ability and education because I've seen them do things that I wouldn't do and I'm not a nurse yet. But it could be the fact that they're lacking clinical skills. This is the reason why I believe that the US needs to have foreign grads take a skills exam before they issue them a license. Since they were foreign trained, their standards are different than ours.

hi there!

there are some newly licensed nurses from the philippines who do go to the US on tourist visas and look for work there. they show the "employer" that they've passed nclex but do not have the proper papers to legally work there. now these "employers", usually nursing homes, take advantage of the situation and hire them "unofficially" and pay them lesser rates.

i am basing what i've posted here on some people that i know that did this and they had no experience whatsoever..so good luck to their patients...these employers should be punished, its really unfair, especially those people who have been waiting for sooooooo long because they're doing it the legal way..

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hi there!

there are some newly licensed nurses from the philippines who do go to the US on tourist visas and look for work there. they show the "employer" that they've passed nclex but do not have the proper papers to legally work there. now these "employers", usually nursing homes, take advantage of the situation and hire them "unofficially" and pay them lesser rates.

i am basing what i've posted here on some people that i know that did this and they had no experience whatsoever..so good luck to their patients...these employers should be punished, its really unfair, especially those people who have been waiting for sooooooo long because they're doing it the legal way..

As well as what the employer is doing as illegal so are the nurses and they must be aware that they are doing it illegal and open for a 3-10 year ban if caught, Shame on them all

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gorgeous77 going to the us in a tourist visa or workin illegally doesn't mean that this nurses will affect the care to their patient, they passed the nclex-rn fair and square, i know you are also a filipino, and i know that you are nclex passer too,its because of the retro that you are stuck here, i know this nurses will have their papers fixed, who doesn't right? i hope that the bill they are passing in the congress will be approved to give 20k visas to healthcare professionals:nurse:

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gorgeous77 going to the us in a tourist visa or workin illegally doesn't mean that this nurses will affect the care to their patient, they passed the nclex-rn fair and square, i know you are also a filipino, and i know that you are nclex passer too,its because of the retro that you are stuck here, i know this nurses will have their papers fixed, who doesn't right? i hope that the bill they are passing in the congress will be approved to give 20k visas to healthcare professionals:nurse:

the 20K will not go far, bet there is many many more waiting

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gorgeous77 going to the us in a tourist visa or workin illegally doesn't mean that this nurses will affect the care to their patient, they passed the nclex-rn fair and square, i know you are also a filipino, and i know that you are nclex passer too,its because of the retro that you are stuck here, i know this nurses will have their papers fixed, who doesn't right? i hope that the bill they are passing in the congress will be approved to give 20k visas to healthcare professionals:nurse:

what i'm referring to as unfair is the fact that these nurses are working there illegally..good luck to the patients because as what LatinaVNStudentRN2B posted "These are the ones that I question their ability and education because I've seen them do things that I wouldn't do and I'm not a nurse yet. But it could be the fact that they're lacking clinical skills."

I have worked with student nurses and newly licensed nurses, and there really is a difference in the way that they care for patients, i guess this is the reason why majority of the countries require experience or competency assessment programs before they allow a foreign-educated nurse to be registered in their country. For example, a newly licensed nurse with BLS and ACLS certificates but no experience cannot compare to a nurse with the same certificates but has actually applied this knowledge in her practice. Experience is the best teacher..

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gorgeous77 going to the us in a tourist visa or workin illegally doesn't mean that this nurses will affect the care to their patient, they passed the nclex-rn fair and square, i know you are also a filipino, and i know that you are nclex passer too,its because of the retro that you are stuck here, i know this nurses will have their papers fixed, who doesn't right? i hope that the bill they are passing in the congress will be approved to give 20k visas to healthcare professionals:nurse:

They are committing a criminal act working illegally. In my state if you are a criminal your license is revoked. Shame on nurses committing illegal acts as well as the employers who hired them. I feel sorry for the patients being cared for by illegal nurses. What protection does the poor patient have if the nurse commits malpractice, they are uninsurable and will be deported, that doesn't seem like great patient protection.

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LatinaVNStudentRN2B i dont agree that a foreign nurse undergo skill exam, unless nurses in the us undergo the same. we were not different from each other because we also have a bs in nursing studied 4 yrs, have affiliations in the hospitals in our country just like you guys there, most of us who want to go and work in the us take our nursing licensure exam here before we proceed to take nclex-rn. that means mostly filipino nurses their workin, they have 2 licenses, after you graduate and passed the nclex are you willing to undergo skill exam? newbies of course has lack of skill simply because affiliation is different from the real world even the nclex questions are different when you are actually taking care of a pt. however i somehow agree to suzzene that newbies should go to nursing home instead of hospital, work their for a year or 2.

I can understand what you're saying, and I totally agree that if a US grad works overseas that they SHOULD undergo a skills exam before they're issued a license in another country. Why, because the skills portion is different from country to country. I learned that from foreign nurses who were taught differently than someone who graduated from the US. I understand that you also hold a BSN from your country of origin but the clinical skills are different. That's the only reason why I believe that foreign grads should be tested on skills before being issued an RN license. As for a US grad having to go through a skills exam before obtaining an RN license, I don't agree with that because they are taught in the US. All nursing schools in the US must follow guidelines when teaching students clinical skills. Once they graduate they already know how to practice nursing in "this country" and were taught under the guidelines of "this country". Foreign nurses weren't educated in this country, and their country has different guidelines than this country. That is the reason why they evaluate transcripts in the 1st place. Official transcripts are evaluated because of the different guidelines, therefore the same should be done regarding clinical skills.

Also, I know someone from the Philippines who wasn't allowed to take the NCLEX for RN because of someone from there got a hold of the questions and answers and supposedly passed them around and therefore people were passing the NCLEX exam. As far as I know according to her there was an investigation going on at that time. She also stated that her school was being closely watched for some other reasons I don't even want to mention. Last I heard from her, she was still waiting.

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As well as what the employer is doing as illegal so are the nurses and they must be aware that they are doing it illegal and open for a 3-10 year ban if caught, Shame on them all

Since these are peoples lives that are being put in jeopardy, the penalty should be stricter....They shouldn't be allowed practice nursing period plain and simple. What if that nurse wasn't compitent and killed a patient?

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Since these are peoples lives that are being put in jeopardy, the penalty should be stricter....They shouldn't be allowed practice nursing period plain and simple. What if that nurse wasn't compitent and killed a patient?

You can use that argument regardless on where they trained. Many countries have excellent nurse training and skills and yes some other countries don't but I think it will be hard to enforce skill exams because I bet even in the US skill sets will differ.

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You can use that argument regardless on where they trained. Many countries have excellent nurse training and skills and yes some other countries don't but I think it will be hard to enforce skill exams because I bet even in the US skill sets will differ.

The quote that you quoted me on was regarding a different thread, not the one regarding skills exams.

I've had the pleasure working with many great foreign nurses who I will continue to go to if I have a question. I'm sorry, there are nurses today that are foreign trained that are very questionable. Unfortunately it's those who do things the wrong way that are making it bad for the ones who do it the right way.

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My reference was mainly to your last sentence in the quote onf What if that nurse wasn't compitent and killed a patient?

That could be said for anyone regardless on where they are from, but you are right there are some nurses that are not competent and it is these that make it harder for others

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My reference was mainly to your last sentence in the quote onf What if that nurse wasn't compitent and killed a patient?

That could be said for anyone regardless on where they are from, but you are right there are some nurses that are not competent and it is these that make it harder for others

Oh yeah, I did state that, but it was in regard to nurses who come here on a tourist visa and they worked here illegally and obviously w/o a license to practice nursing (someone mentioned earlier about passing the NCLEX but no license issue because of the tourist visa). Sorry about the confusion.

There are lots of good nurses no matter where they studied, US, Philippines, Russia, etc... but it's the ones who do it the illegal way make it harder for the ones who are doing it legal.

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