Pseudo-seizures

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I am a new nurse still orienting to the ICU, so yes, I am very green. I had my first experience with what was originally thought to be grand mal seizures but was soon suspected to be pseudo-seizures. The whole experience was mind boggling to me. The seizures were whole body spasmodic lasting for less than 30 seconds, no loss of bowel functions, no post-ictal (sp?), completely coherent within minutes, some expiratory wheezing afterwards, eyes responded to stimulus, and always occurred soon after the patient was emotionally upset. She had a seizure while she sitting in an upright chair and amazingly did not even end up on the floor or get hurt. I might also add that the seizures NEVER occurred as long as someone was in the room with her and giving them her full attention.

The pt. was completely noncompliant with the nursing staff, refusing to stay in bed (even though we explained REPEATEDLY the danger of being up with the frequency of the seizures), tearing leads off, even attempting to walk off the floor half naked to drive herself home. She went ballistic when she overhead the possibility of restraints. She swung from being completely happy, to being anxious, to crying, to apologizing, to screaming, etc.

As the shift went on more and more information came out - she was a frequent flyer and many of the staff remembered her from years prior at different hospitals. It was very difficult to decipher what of her history was true or not as she has changed doctors quite often.

She was currently on Dilantin, and surprisingly enough, NO psych meds. We ended up having someone come from another floor to act as a sitter and she seemed as happy as a pig in mud then. I was not her primary nurse and an still wondering why a psych consult was not ordered for her.

I have no psych experience and am completely naive in that way but I just couldn't believe someone would put themselves through the physical and emotional hell she was going through just for attention. I guess my question is has any had any experience with this? What would you have done in this situation?

I'm a little disheartened by the nurses responses on this site. I am 26 and healthy. I vary rarely go to the doctor unless I have to. Two times in my life have I had a "pseudo-seizure" at least that's what the nurse called it but I wasn't faking it like all of you imply this is. If you actually google the term pseudoseizure it says they are due to psychological problems and the supression of them and that the symptoms are real. Both times it happened to me, once when I was a teen and once a week ago, it was like I blacked out but then when I woke up I didn't remember what happened and I couldn't feel my legs. I guess what I really wanted to say here was just because I wasn't having a seizure due to some medical problem doesn't mean I was faking it so perhaps judge a little more carefully? It was really embarassing for me and I didn't mean for it to happen it just did - both times I was getting my blood drawn.

Specializes in Peds/Neo CCT,Flight, ER, Hem/Onc.
I'm a little disheartened by the nurses responses on this site. I am 26 and healthy. I vary rarely go to the doctor unless I have to. Two times in my life have I had a "pseudo-seizure" at least that's what the nurse called it but I wasn't faking it like all of you imply this is. If you actually google the term pseudoseizure it says they are due to psychological problems and the supression of them and that the symptoms are real. Both times it happened to me, once when I was a teen and once a week ago, it was like I blacked out but then when I woke up I didn't remember what happened and I couldn't feel my legs. I guess what I really wanted to say here was just because I wasn't having a seizure due to some medical problem doesn't mean I was faking it so perhaps judge a little more carefully? It was really embarassing for me and I didn't mean for it to happen it just did - both times I was getting my blood drawn.

You didn't have a pseudo-seizure. You had a vaso-vagal response that sometimes includes brief twitching of extremities. It is often mistaken for a seizure. It is similar to the twitching or jerking (myoclonic jerk) that some people experience just as they fall asleep. Big difference.

Specializes in Infectious Disease, Neuro, Research.

I have no psych experience and am completely naive in that way but I just couldn't believe someone would put themselves through the physical and emotional hell she was going through just for attention. I guess my question is has any had any experience with this? What would you have done in this situation?

As noted, intact reflexes are the differential. Amonia is good, but not everyone (me, for instance) has fully intact olefactory receptors, and may not respond.

The classic is painful response. Paras, and some cops or fire, in the field use the sternal rub. Unfortunately, this can bruise, and is not the best choice. Impression of the nail bed, using the blunt end of a stylus or plain old Bic pen is hard to beat. You can do it with thumb pressure, if you've fairly strong hands. Press like you're trying to keep them from falling off a roof top by holding that finger. If the limb goes rigid(but the rest of the body continues to flail, or the whole body goes rigid), or is jerked away from you, its pseudo.

Specializes in ICU.

I have had a few patients in the ICU who were seizure fakers. Some did it for the 2mg Ativan IVP it got them. Others did it for attention. No incontinence, no post -ictal phase, started talking right after.

So, we load them up on dilantin until we get an EEG proving no seizures.

There was a frequent-flyer who gave her-self pseudo-sepsis. Imagine that one. A bunch of times. BP would drop into the 60's. Talking on her cell phone.....

On one of her admissiions, the hospitalist, extremely smart guy, funny as hell, (russian trained in isreal) is going in his cute accent "I don't believe this, no way, reading not right, I put in arterial line, I show you" so he puts in an art like, BP is that low. H e says "Holy sh!t. I don't get it" One one stay she ended up intubated, in shock, with a swan (we don't do those in our ICU, maybe one a year) every test under the sun. NOTHING. She recovered. Same thing another admission. TEE done, for hypostension. Again. Everything completely normal. She would just get "better" The Dr's really saw this as a pseudo sickenss. She worked a million hours a day, 7 days a week. Perhaps she wanted some time off.

Specializes in Critical Care. CVICU. Adult and Peds PACU..

Hey all. I floated to our neuro floor the other day and absolutely loved it. I have a few quick questions though...

1. When having a seizure is it fairly common to lose bowel/bladder function?

2. Is a pseudoseizure a "fake" seizure or a seizure that is psychologically induced?

Thx in advance!

Specializes in ICU.
I'm a little disheartened by the nurses responses on this site. I am 26 and healthy. I vary rarely go to the doctor unless I have to. Two times in my life have I had a "pseudo-seizure" at least that's what the nurse called it but I wasn't faking it like all of you imply this is. If you actually google the term pseudoseizure it says they are due to psychological problems and the supression of them and that the symptoms are real. Both times it happened to me, once when I was a teen and once a week ago, it was like I blacked out but then when I woke up I didn't remember what happened and I couldn't feel my legs. I guess what I really wanted to say here was just because I wasn't having a seizure due to some medical problem doesn't mean I was faking it so perhaps judge a little more carefully? It was really embarassing for me and I didn't mean for it to happen it just did - both times I was getting my blood drawn.

I will correct, I have seen pseudo-seizures and FAKE seizures. No, they aren't the same.

Specializes in Infectious Disease, Neuro, Research.
Hey all. I floated to our neuro floor the other day and absolutely loved it. I have a few quick questions though...

1. When having a seizure is it fairly common to lose bowel/bladder function?

2. Is a pseudoseizure a "fake" seizure or a seizure that is psychologically induced?

Thx in advance!

Since you asked::D

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1) Depends on the type of seizure. Independent of other conditions or problems, it is usally a Complex or GTC seizure.

2) Sticky. Technically, all pseudos, by definition, are "fake", but a thorough assessment will give you a better feel for family/social dynamics, coping skills, social needs, etc.. This will differ, based on the school of thinking to which the neuro/psych doc subscribes.

If they just got picked up for shoplifting, or just came from the county jail for an eval, they are, de facto, faking- even if they need loading with Keppra or Depakote...:icon_roll

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