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Nursing would be worth pursing if the business side of it would stop abusing it. The only message I read here is, " Hey if you can't stand being abused and being pay very poorly for it.... don't sign up. But, hey, we are always hiring victims... here, sign up." Don't be a nurse unless you're a masochist and can jump high when said to (like Gollum, that character on Lord of the Rings).... The problem is not about becoming a nurse ( a very noble practice ) It's the accountants, lawyers, and admins that rise to the top to pretty much practice that which is floats there.... But they don't give a damn.... and THE WORST... Nurses who just take it and accept it.

This is a horrid excuse... So this thread is saying if you can't put up with the abuse then leave. SO, nursing is nothing but an abused state of affairs...I seriously ca nnot stand what I'm reading and will write more later. I can't believe the crap I'm reading.

Where is nursing purgatory Sing Song? I really don't get the whole second degree, 10th degree... who gives a #$#. A person is a nurse is a nurse. So what? Kids in college can choose nursing for money or passion and person at 70 can choose it for money or passion. What matters is that people get the opportunity to see nursing as it really is. I remember asking nurses on the floor prior to becoming a nurse (family scene) They were like, " oh, yeah it's awesome". Now I know that a nurse can get called out if they complain about working conditions. Ex. Patient X states that nurse Z could not fill their water because too much going on... So, now I know why those nurses told me that. And no nurse wants to seem like they can't handle their job. SOOOOO... do you tell the nurses to be how it really is? It's a no win situation. Even if you tell mgt that you have too much to do... "Oh, so you're saying you don't have the time mgt. skills to do your job?" You can't win.

This is awesome! So happy for you "Sing-song in my heart" You seem to have experienced a time when nurses got to be a nurse. I hope to earn one day what you do. I do share a very common core with you: I love helping the patients and not in a self-serving ego way but a I can go home and be thankful that I got that chance to meet a new person, help them out, make them better and smile. Hope time creates the opportunity for all nurses to be able to experience your experience. I do on some days. I love it too...

I totally get the work to death situation for many nurses.

Im a day nurse. Night shift nurses need extra care. Those nurses rock! Yeah, I get my fair share of crap that they don't deal with but to deal with your whole body going against what it usually needs to do.... I totally respect night nurses. Because of current changes they are dealing with a lot more now. So they get the stress we go through (more so because of less resources) on top of the physical differential. THEY don't get paid enough! Patients don't just sleep. They are sick. A sleeping patient is scary, which is why I check in so often on my day patients. "Hey, how you doing?! you OK? What's you're name? ... lol

That's nice... so put up or shut up...yeah it's as easy as that. That's the problem with nursing or any industry here and now. I like how you put the spin on it that it would hurt the facility if you leave. There are plenty of people lined up for the job that they don't even know about current conditions. THat doesn't make it right. And, yes, right does matter. It matters to all of us. Don't enable those conditions that make you live a life in the dirt. Stand together to make a change with every job in US. Don't support an environment that drags others down into bad working conditions. To accept it or retreat is giving up. It's not leaving nursing that is the answer, it is stopping the crap that is making it intolerable/dirt that is.

I'm ticked off at the HRSA option. The HRSA option only seems to hire Master's or Doctorates although they claim to help RNs. Must be 10 year experienced RN's with clinical experience since not many HRSA scored places are hiring them (by then that RN has already paid alot on his/her loan somehow). I found one handful of job options for the whole country. If you wanna go to the land of ice and snow or tornado alley..... I was really disappointed by this and it really woke me up about the nursing demand with respects to current health care craziness out there now. Like, how can you offer this program to an RN and then don't let it happen. What a dead end. Sooooo..... spend the money on an FNP and you'll get some portion of your loans paid off. But take the risk that in 5 years those rules may change. I don't know why people are so shocked by this debt from OP (agree with KnCMommy). The more affordable options take years to get into if you do at all. If some private school is gonna offer you your RN in a year or two and you're working at Walmart.... there are opportunity costs if you don't go for it. You can say that the bottom line is the payment for the loan will spin you. I agree... but let's everyone look at the options given and not be so quick to judge. The options suck to pay for a field that has now turned out to NOT pay out for the present moment. Like I said before, schools and loan sharks are cashing in on a bad market. Not everyone has local options or the option to relocate to take advantage of these opportunities. OP is not alone by far on his/her situation. OP - you're gonna make it with some good budgeting tactics and financial ed. Get roommates, live on a hippie commune, get credit counselors and free legal advice.. whatever it takes. Just don't beat yourself up. There are lots of students in your boat. You're not alone.

I'm thankful that I'm in a field that allows me to take care of wonderful people... regardless of how crazy it has become.

One can compare the current health coverage mandate like auto insurance. It's best for everyone to have coverage (especially if someone is underinsured). I'm just so confused about all of the issues that are surfacing that were not expected, like the dropping of policies by insurance companies. Im under the impression that it is mandated to have coverage but an insurance company is not forced to take you on as a client? I got to get the book. I also feel turned off that although seniors are told that their medicare coverage will not be cut but yet medicare cuts in terms of defining how they reimburse resembles a cut. Someone has to pay if they come back to the hospital within 30 days. How can the system justify not paying when the patient does not comply or gets sick out for some reason. I think these reimbursement changes need to be rethunk so that healthcare does not become defunct.

I see alot of strip malls starting primary care and visiting doctor businesses..... Where can RNs fit into the primary care role without paycuts except for getting Master's or Doctorates?

It's tough because you think that taking out the loans for a nursing degree will be worth it since "you can get a job anywhere as a nurse." But just like all job sectors, we are suffering too, especially with all the changes happening with reimbursements. It's hard to find a job outside the hospital without at least a year of hospital experience but those positions are hard to come by too. Primary care seems like the way to go but seems like those positions are not advertising for RN's - only high acute positions in the hospital are out there. I know some people who spent this kind of money on massage therapy and art design jobs who are in the same position. Schools are raking in on the " I can't find a job so I better get back to school and get a degree in something that will hire me" situation that is out there now in our economy. But all sectors are not really hiring. Private loan sharks are just eating this desperation up. It drags down the economy if people are spending alot of their check on loan repayment instead of goods and services that support the economy.

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what might scare members like myself or not like myself. :|

Well, that's comforting.

Thank you ESME12, that's what I wanted to hear. You see, I understand any word I type here can be picked up by the search engines. I don't include words like where I work, what kind of work I do and who I know here that can lead to any one specific piece of information. I vent here but I never include info on anyplace, time or person. I would like to continue in my most controversial/entertaining vents/posts and read from others as well. I so love the humorous passionate/controversial posts!!! But if I ever got the feeling I couldn't, I will have to not continue. And by that I would be soooo sad. I'm sure I'd be missed. LOL

Well then, um, sing song in my heart because I don't know how the *&^@ to make those characters here... there in lies the reasons why one should not vent here .... If I were to post in a newspaper my name would be attached unless it was Dear Abby..... I'm not overreacting. You should post these statements in an obvious place on the site. Terms of Service is rarely read on any site... and thanks Sweet wild rose ... for the consequences... ok.. thanks... I'm so feeling good about my previous posts on AN r/t your present comment. Remind me why I joined AN? oh yea, the consequences. thank you...

Awesome, these kind of specifics are what posters need to know about. I totally agree... Thank you for the clarification on these posts. This goes for any site.

Not null and void so much because there are lots of great ideas here other than just honest opinions about various areas of nursing. I'll always come here for that! I'm just concerned with bias forming.

Isn't this creating an environment of fear? I agree that you need to protect your ID by not connecting to your social sites and stating names of places & situations at work. You can make it general enough. But fear of AN being hacked and your opionions being held against you pretty much tells anyone that you can't really vent...especially when those vents are expressing the reality on the most part of what's going on. I can't tell anyone how to protect your vents because obviously you may or may not be able to according to these posts. I'm disappointed with this threatening discussion because it really shows how much our field and fields of other workers are being suppressed. There are not many posts here that don't resonate with multitudes of nurses... I don't write here with the thoughts that my opinions would be in the newspaper. I wouldn't expect the site to be broken into in order to trace a writer illegally. If that is the case, then this site will become null and void in my opinion. I would not be able to post anything here anymore... well unless it is stating how wonderful everything is being managed and I just love how much exercise I get along with.... you get what I'm saying. I like that this post warns some to protect their statements. It can be taken further to create a fearful environment. What is AN doing to make sure that our content is safe? Aren't there internet laws that protect the right to free speech especially when a poster is being responsible with posts and relationships outside of posts? I didn't have my lawyer read the TOS. Is there something in there that states AN can divulge info? I'm really concerned about this.

I like your statements. I have to say, and I'm sure you'd agree... that in your time and mine, we have NEVER seen such advertisements to join a field of employment like what has been portrayed in the media for nursing. You don't see Johnson and Johnson commercials for engineers or such... WHY? if not a shortage? Sooooo,,,, colleges (private pirates or public (wait list forever) are making the CASHOLA!! STUDENT LOANS are cashing in big time! It's like a circus for this demandated field to drive down the cost of nursing and lessen liability for the medical profession. Nurses are caught in the middle unless they unionize.

How can a professor be against mandated nurse-patient ratio? How can any nurse? Look... on the floor or anywhere, management (whatever form) will try to push as many patients, tasks .... whatever, no matter what patient acuity (how sick they are and numerous tasks you need to do to keep patients well) ..... as possible to meet this " productivity quotient". You really don't know as a rookie nurse right now what you're about to get into. You will run... and it is hard.. and you will ask yourself why your professor was against mandated nurse-patient ratios. I don't see any semblance of leadership that is pronurse these days. I think most nurses get into "leadership" in the hospital in order to get off the floor and then it it seems their job is to keep other nurses down in order to keep their jobs and not be forced back into the hell they help foster. nice.... I don't see any ... and I mean any... decisions that help take tasks off the plate of a nurse and actually make logical systematic sense for any modern, profit making institution! You'd think as old as an institution as hospitals are, they'd have their crap together. Such bad leadership! Nurses don't necessarily make great accountants or leaders. A large misconception is that a management level job is what one defines as success as a nurse. If you suck at, please don't do it. Also, if you're a money grubbing, labor driver to impress your boss or get a promotion to leadership or bonus.... pfff.... it's noticeable. I hope this was helpful. IT SHOULD BE MANDATED BECAUSE IF IT ISN'T PEOPLE CRUNCHING THE NUMBERS WILL MAKE YOU HAVE AS MANY PATIENTS AS POSSIBLE UNTIL THERE IS AN INCIDENT. Hope you're not that nurse.... hope I'm not either.... ask anyone on this website....

yea, I get that. You gotta be ok with the body stuff otherwise become a doctor. lol. I'm just getting burned out at bedside. apologies all for my slanted view ..... Anyone have a villa I can rent for a couple weeks?

I just don't think hospitals should manage bedside nursing to be such a miserable existence to where nurses want to run away. But then, I guess you're over a barrel to go thru this hell in order to do what you really want to do in nursing? I would love bedside if I wasn't over burdened and expected to do too many detailed tasks not related to hands on patient care. Also, nursing bedside is a hell of a lot different that it used to be with less resources. You really wonder why nurses want to run? and to add insult to injury question why and belittle them? But please continue to add, that's the reality of nursing today.... :\

It's great that the nurses have Sarah but it has grown to more than her as a leader. Sarah seems like the the point person and I'm not there but it's about all the nurses and techs and ancillary pros that need to stand up. Tao... all of Florida is watching this now.

Wow...