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  1. does a NP average more money than a PA? can NP's work w/out a docs oversight?

    patnshan replied to pts's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    RN, MBA (no NP?), PA's are certified, which means we take boards every 6 years for life. In most states, including mine, we are licensed. Pretty broad statement, especially when it is a misguided...

  2. does a NP average more money than a PA? can NP's work w/out a docs oversight?

    patnshan replied to pts's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    If you look at the averages, NP's make less. That is generally because of the specialties they choose. Most do primary care, which pays lower. There are more PA's in ER and surgical subspecialties,...

  3. NP's and docs

    patnshan replied to MikeyBSN's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    I am sorry to hear about this and am embarrassed that these people will be entering my profession. This is most certainly not the norm. I also precept PA students and have never seen that. You will...

  4. NP's and docs

    patnshan replied to MikeyBSN's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    I agree with everything you said here. A lot of it is just what the docs have experience with, bad or good.

  5. NP's and docs

    patnshan replied to MikeyBSN's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    Ask these same people what they think of PA's? If they say the same thing, then they have a God complex. If they say they like PA's, I would guess it is one of the two things I listed in my...

  6. NP's and docs

    patnshan replied to MikeyBSN's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    OK. So the number of clinical hours is standardized? I see that Duke offers about 600 hours of clinical time, which is the most I have seen, and is also from quite a reputable school, for both NP's...

  7. NP's and docs

    patnshan replied to MikeyBSN's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    I will start by saying that I am not an NP. Hate is a strong word! The two issues that I see docs having problems with NP's on are 1. Independence- most docs think that the idea of someone being...

  8. Differences (Educative/Clinical) between NP & PA

    patnshan replied to jstuben's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    I am glad you said this. PA's spend on average of 400 clinical hours in emergency medicine alone, compared to 400 hours total clinical hours in NP school. On the other hand, if someone were to tell me...

  9. Differences (Educative/Clinical) between NP & PA

    patnshan replied to jstuben's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    I was with you until you said that nurses are ahead in the compassion thing. That is individual, and is not LEARNED! Otherwise, I agree with everything you said. NP's do need much more clinical time,...

  10. MD, DO, NP, DC, OD -- Who deserves the title PCP?

    patnshan replied to RMARTINNC's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    Thanks dorise, I truly believe most NP's do understand this. Everyday I hear from nurses that I work with something like this: "I'd really like to be a PA, but I don't have time to go full-time for...

  11. MD, DO, NP, DC, OD -- Who deserves the title PCP?

    patnshan replied to RMARTINNC's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    I'm not flattered, but as I said above, nursing experience is most certainly helpful. It is NOT a substitute for rigorous, medical education, which should be required prior to practicing medicine....

  12. MD, DO, NP, DC, OD -- Who deserves the title PCP?

    patnshan replied to RMARTINNC's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    I agree. I did not say it is not useful, I said it is not a substitute, and stand by that. That is why the "soft" instruction method of NP programs is still not enough.

  13. MD, DO, NP, DC, OD -- Who deserves the title PCP?

    patnshan replied to RMARTINNC's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    And for Zenman's comment about PA's only being able to practice medicine. For your info, ALL of nursing is in the scope of practice of a physician. PA's can do ANYTHING that their supervising...

  14. MD, DO, NP, DC, OD -- Who deserves the title PCP?

    patnshan replied to RMARTINNC's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    What I meant, but not what I said, was that nursing experience is no more relevant than say ER tech, paramedic, respiratory therapist, etc. in the preparation of an individual for midlevel...

  15. MD, DO, NP, DC, OD -- Who deserves the title PCP?

    patnshan replied to RMARTINNC's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    that prior nursing experience arguement is a common, but generally invalid arguement. being an rn does not teach you to independently diagnose and treat medical problems. you still need the training...

  16. MD, DO, NP, DC, OD -- Who deserves the title PCP?

    patnshan replied to RMARTINNC's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    I agree with all of this above. If NP's are practicing medicine under the supervision/collaboration of a physician, then why are there two professions, PA's and NP's. NP's are trained in nursing...

  17. MD, DO, NP, DC, OD -- Who deserves the title PCP?

    patnshan replied to RMARTINNC's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    NM- alteration is chest comfort related to lack of blood flow to the heart (or) alteration in mood related to feeling of impending doom MM- unstable angina (or) acute myocardial infarction

  18. MD, DO, NP, DC, OD -- Who deserves the title PCP?

    patnshan replied to RMARTINNC's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    As far as the "model" goes. I think the medical model focuses on diagnosing and treating disease. "Nursing" model focuses on "diagnosing" and treating symptoms related to the disease. After 4 yrs...

  19. MD, DO, NP, DC, OD -- Who deserves the title PCP?

    patnshan replied to RMARTINNC's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    Just to clarify, PA's do practice medicine. We are trained in medicine to practice medicine under the supervision of a physician. NP's practice medicine too, it is just that they are trained in...

  20. Differences (Educative/Clinical) between NP & PA

    patnshan replied to jstuben's topic in Nurse Practitioners, NP

    Hello, I am a PA who is still actually an RN. I researched MD, PA, and NP, obviously choosing PA for my own reasons. I would be glad to discuss those reasons with anyone who would like. By the way, I...