patnshan

RN, MBA (no NP?), PA's are certified, which means we take boards every 6 years for life. In most states, including mine, we are licensed. Pretty broad statement, especially when it is a misguided one PA's do need oversight from physicians, that y...

If you look at the averages, NP's make less. That is generally because of the specialties they choose. Most do primary care, which pays lower. There are more PA's in ER and surgical subspecialties, which generally pay more. In the same job with t...

I am sorry to hear about this and am embarrassed that these people will be entering my profession. This is most certainly not the norm. I also precept PA students and have never seen that. You will hear stories similar to this from people who train...

I agree with everything you said here. A lot of it is just what the docs have experience with, bad or good. Pat

Ask these same people what they think of PA's? If they say the same thing, then they have a God complex. If they say they like PA's, I would guess it is one of the two things I listed in my previous post. Pat

OK. So the number of clinical hours is standardized? I see that Duke offers about 600 hours of clinical time, which is the most I have seen, and is also from quite a reputable school, for both NP's and PA's. The PA program at the same school offers...

I will start by saying that I am not an NP. Hate is a strong word! The two issues that I see docs having problems with NP's on are 1. Independence- most docs think that the idea of someone being ready to practice independently after a BSN, 1 year o...

I am glad you said this. PA's spend on average of 400 clinical hours in emergency medicine alone, compared to 400 hours total clinical hours in NP school. On the other hand, if someone were to tell me they wanted to do community health or OB, I would...

I was with you until you said that nurses are ahead in the compassion thing. That is individual, and is not LEARNED! Otherwise, I agree with everything you said. NP's do need much more clinical time, or advanced practicum, as you call it. The amount ...

Thanks dorise, I truly believe most NP's do understand this. Everyday I hear from nurses that I work with something like this: "I'd really like to be a PA, but I don't have time to go full-time for three years. I think I'll just do the NP thing so...

I'm not flattered, but as I said above, nursing experience is most certainly helpful. It is NOT a substitute for rigorous, medical education, which should be required prior to practicing medicine. NP's do not obtain this rigorous medical training, ...

I agree. I did not say it is not useful, I said it is not a substitute, and stand by that. That is why the "soft" instruction method of NP programs is still not enough. Pat

And for Zenman's comment about PA's only being able to practice medicine. For your info, ALL of nursing is in the scope of practice of a physician. PA's can do ANYTHING that their supervising physician does. That includes start IV's, give injectio...

What I meant, but not what I said, was that nursing experience is no more relevant than say ER tech, paramedic, respiratory therapist, etc. in the preparation of an individual for midlevel providership (is that a word?). I would argue that my ER te...

that prior nursing experience arguement is a common, but generally invalid arguement. being an rn does not teach you to independently diagnose and treat medical problems. you still need the training in how to do that, as well as the science behind ...

I agree with all of this above. If NP's are practicing medicine under the supervision/collaboration of a physician, then why are there two professions, PA's and NP's. NP's are trained in nursing and come out to practice medicine. How does that wo...

NM- alteration is chest comfort related to lack of blood flow to the heart (or) alteration in mood related to feeling of impending doom MM- unstable angina (or) acute myocardial infarction Pat

As far as the "model" goes. I think the medical model focuses on diagnosing and treating disease. "Nursing" model focuses on "diagnosing" and treating symptoms related to the disease. After 4 yrs of nursing school, that's all I got that was worthw...

Just to clarify, PA's do practice medicine. We are trained in medicine to practice medicine under the supervision of a physician. NP's practice medicine too, it is just that they are trained in nursing. NP's practice under the supervision of a ph...

Hello, I am a PA who is still actually an RN. I researched MD, PA, and NP, obviously choosing PA for my own reasons. I would be glad to discuss those reasons with anyone who would like. By the way, I most certainly made the right choice for me. I hav...