lincoln77

the title of this thread: "pushed by quacks, Ivermectin is poisoning people". now read what you just wrote. "ivermectin is poisoning people" is proven to be a lie. Ivermectin, the drug for humans is NOT poisoning people. "pushed by quacks" is also a lie. Given by medical doctors bold enough to (and financially independent enough) to disregard the incessant propaganda in favor of science.

Turns out that the story about ERs being overrun with ivermectin overdoses was a fabrication: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/09/bogus-oklahoma-ivermectin-story-was-just-too-good-check/

Merck's word is not worth much. A for-profit corporation with a conflict of interest, a 1.2 billion dollar contract for a new anti-viral therapy. (Ivermectin is out of patent, would make little money) They also have a shady history with Vioxx. https://www.govconwire.com/2021/06/merck-lands-1-2b-army-contract-for-oral-covid-19-treatment/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merck_%26_Co.#cite_note-144 "According to internal e-mail traffic released at a later lawsuit, Merck had a list of doctors critical of Vioxx to be "neutralized" or "discredited". "We may need to seek them out and destroy them where they live," wrote an employee. A Stanford Medical School professor said that Merck was engaged in intimidation of researchers and infringement upon academic freedom.[144]"

What is dangerous about using a safe drug if one has COVID-19, if one is prescribed it by a medical doctor. There are a body of highly published medical doctors who have looked at the research and they find it sufficient and are prescribing it. If the drug is extremely safe, what is the harm? As I said in another comment, sure , tell people to never take veterinary ivermectin, make a giant PSA about it.

name calling. Okay. Character attacks come when you have no serious points to make. And so it stands, Ivermectin is a safe drug. Goodbye.

Agreed, no one should be going to Tractor Supply and dosing themselves with the horse version of Ivermectin. Make a PSA about, no problem. The human formulation however, has been researched, and has ongoing research in use for Covid 19. It also is not necessarily the case that people that tout ivermectin reject vaccination. Ivermectin is therapeutic, and there are some vaccinated people getting Covid-19. I work at a nurse so don't have all day to research this, but I find it fascinating that a group of published physicians are essentially shouting from the rooftops that Ivermectin works and are submitting their data. I think we should all be curious about this, as medical professionals we are interesting in helping people. After reading more about this I found this video that was apparently removed from Youtube. https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/videos-and-tutorials-on-ivermectin/

I've expected insults so....whatever to that. If you have some data that shows ivermectin, formulated for humans, to be dangerous, I'm all ears.

From the article: “Ivermectin is an FDA-approved broad spectrum anti-parasitic agent (Gonzalez Canga et al., 2008) that in recent years we, along with other groups, have shown to have anti-viral activity against a broad range of viruses (Gotz et al., 2016; Lundberg et al., 2013; Tay et al., 2013; Wagstaff et al.,” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011#bib26

The news organizations know, they want higher ratings.

So it’s unsafe if you don’t have parasites? It’s one of the safest drugs .

The FDA literally creating a tweet conflating ivermectin formulated for horses with the ivermectin formulation for humans. Ivermectin has a high safety profile.

My brother-in-law ER doctor, who works in large east coast hospital, has prescribed Ivermectin to people with Covid 19 who wanted it. He said it was mostly nurses and doctors who had looked in to the research and requested it. There is some research on it. There needs to be more, but there is little financial incentive to do more research, as it is off patent. Just because it has not been "proven" effective in a study yet, doesn't mean it doesn't work. Also, in the correct dose and formulation, it has a long track record of safety.

Thanks for this response. This is what I suspected but wasn't sure.

thanks for your response. My main question was really on dilution. During my school clinicals, that was always specified in the hospital ie "1 gram cefepime q 12 hours in 100cc NS over 30min". Here the order says "1 gram cefepime q 12 hours". So are you saying its the nurse's responsibility to determine the dilution? And just because it may be relevant to discussion, are you a nurse in the USA? just asking because your name says londonflo. Could be that things work differently in different places.

So I work in a prison, was giving meds in the infirmary. One inmate was on IV cefepime. The order simply says, give 1 gram every 12 hours. Fluid type or volume was not included, and it did not say the time it should be given in. I asked for clarification from the doctor, and her first response was "what did the nurse who gave you report tell you?" She finally gave me clarification. (I did not see it in any records) Isn't this really unsafe? for months the doctor has writing IV medication orders like this. I was kind of miffed that she gave such an arrogant response, and even wanted to educate me that this inmate has CHF and we can't give to many fluids. I was thinking...yeah I know IV meds can be dangerous so I want really clear orders. I was going to go to the nursing director to tell her we need better orders, but am re-thinking this before I do it. What do you all think? I really have not worked in the hospital....I assume that its pharmacy that specifies how much fluid and over how long...maybe this doctor wasn't sure about the answer to my question.