lincoln77

the title of this thread: "pushed by quacks, Ivermectin is poisoning people". now read what you just wrote. "ivermectin is poisoning people" is proven to be a lie. Ivermectin, the drug for humans is NOT poisoning people. "pushed by quacks" is also a lie. Given by medical doctors bold enough to (and financially independent enough) to disregard the incessant propaganda in favor of science.

Turns out that the story about ERs being overrun with ivermectin overdoses was a fabrication: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/09/bogus-oklahoma-ivermectin-story-was-just-too-good-check/

Merck's word is not worth much. A for-profit corporation with a conflict of interest, a 1.2 billion dollar contract for a new anti-viral therapy. (Ivermectin is out of patent, would make little money) They also have a shady history with Vioxx. https://www.govconwire.com/2021/06/merck-lands-1-2b-army-contract-for-oral-covid-19-treatment/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merck_%26_Co.#cite_note-144 "According to internal e-mail traffic released at a later lawsuit, Merck had a list of doctors critical of Vioxx to be "neutralized" or "discredited". "We may need to seek them out and destroy them where they live," wrote an employee. A Stanford Medical School professor said that Merck was engaged in intimidation of researchers and infringement upon academic freedom.[144]"

What is dangerous about using a safe drug if one has COVID-19, if one is prescribed it by a medical doctor. There are a body of highly published medical doctors who have looked at the research and they find it sufficient and are prescribing it. If the drug is extremely safe, what is the harm? As I said in another comment, sure , tell people to never take veterinary ivermectin, make a giant PSA about it.

name calling. Okay. Character attacks come when you have no serious points to make. And so it stands, Ivermectin is a safe drug. Goodbye.

Agreed, no one should be going to Tractor Supply and dosing themselves with the horse version of Ivermectin. Make a PSA about, no problem. The human formulation however, has been researched, and has ongoing research in use for Covid 19. It also is not necessarily the case that people that tout ivermectin reject vaccination. Ivermectin is therapeutic, and there are some vaccinated people getting Covid-19. I work at a nurse so don't have all day to research this, but I find it fascinating that a group of published physicians are essentially shouting from the rooftops that Ivermectin works and are submitting their data. I think we should all be curious about this, as medical professionals we are interesting in helping people. After reading more about this I found this video that was apparently removed from Youtube. https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/videos-and-tutorials-on-ivermectin/

I've expected insults so....whatever to that. If you have some data that shows ivermectin, formulated for humans, to be dangerous, I'm all ears.

From the article: “Ivermectin is an FDA-approved broad spectrum anti-parasitic agent (Gonzalez Canga et al., 2008) that in recent years we, along with other groups, have shown to have anti-viral activity against a broad range of viruses (Gotz et al., 2016; Lundberg et al., 2013; Tay et al., 2013; Wagstaff et al.,” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011#bib26

The news organizations know, they want higher ratings.

So it’s unsafe if you don’t have parasites? It’s one of the safest drugs .

The FDA literally creating a tweet conflating ivermectin formulated for horses with the ivermectin formulation for humans. Ivermectin has a high safety profile.

My brother-in-law ER doctor, who works in large east coast hospital, has prescribed Ivermectin to people with Covid 19 who wanted it. He said it was mostly nurses and doctors who had looked in to the research and requested it. There is some research on it. There needs to be more, but there is little financial incentive to do more research, as it is off patent. Just because it has not been "proven" effective in a study yet, doesn't mean it doesn't work. Also, in the correct dose and formulation, it has a long track record of safety.

Thanks for this response. This is what I suspected but wasn't sure.

thanks for your response. My main question was really on dilution. During my school clinicals, that was always specified in the hospital ie "1 gram cefepime q 12 hours in 100cc NS over 30min". Here the order says "1 gram cefepime q 12 hours". So are you saying its the nurse's responsibility to determine the dilution? And just because it may be relevant to discussion, are you a nurse in the USA? just asking because your name says londonflo. Could be that things work differently in different places.

So I work in a prison, was giving meds in the infirmary. One inmate was on IV cefepime. The order simply says, give 1 gram every 12 hours. Fluid type or volume was not included, and it did not say the time it should be given in. I asked for clarification from the doctor, and her first response was "what did the nurse who gave you report tell you?" She finally gave me clarification. (I did not see it in any records) Isn't this really unsafe? for months the doctor has writing IV medication orders like this. I was kind of miffed that she gave such an arrogant response, and even wanted to educate me that this inmate has CHF and we can't give to many fluids. I was thinking...yeah I know IV meds can be dangerous so I want really clear orders. I was going to go to the nursing director to tell her we need better orders, but am re-thinking this before I do it. What do you all think? I really have not worked in the hospital....I assume that its pharmacy that specifies how much fluid and over how long...maybe this doctor wasn't sure about the answer to my question.

Yes he admitted that was the reason. https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/washington-post-live/fauci-on-how-his-thinking-has-evolved-on-masks-asymptomatic-transmission/2020/07/24/799264e2-0f35-4862-aca2-2b4702650a8b_video.html

yes, many of my instructors really didn't seem like they knew what they were talking about. There is an element though of nursing being a grave responsibility. If an instructor sees student who seem to not take that seriously I seems appropriate to not let it slide. In other fields, it may not cost someone their life if someone is a slacker, so maybe the instructors feel more detached.

I had a subscription to nurse.com, 49.99 a year. on a previous year they had the required course for my state as part of the deal. This year I need to buy an additional course for the 25 hours, on top of the the yearly fee. Really annoyed with that kind of business. I want to pick my electives, and just take the required course for my state, but it seems they don't offer one?

Its almost the opposite of what you think. I agree with a lot of what others said; I really have not seen abuse of prisoners. There was one officer who yelled a lot. Other than a few that yell too much, there's nothing I've seen that comes close to abuse. In fact, it seems the whole system is really accommodating. Sometimes this becomes dangerous. Where I work they are extremely reluctant to restrain inmates in the psych section. I had one permanently damage his eye by stabbing it with his finger. Custody still will not use restraints on him, even when he asks for restraints.

and, after reading the above post, don't unnecessarily piss off custody, keep the communication going with higher up custody especially during more serious situations with inmates...I've seen nurses develop a negative relationship with custody and then eventually make a minor mistake or make a decision that's maybe not the best, then get written up. Corrections bureaucracy can be punitive, and nurses can get caught up in that. although, working for the government, your job is pretty secure. I like day shift because doctors and supervisors are all right there if you need help.

Given your simultaneous interest in law enforcement then you would probably like it. Spent the last 4 years in corrections nursing with associates. There is always an element of law enforcement; but its custody's job to take care of that. You might need to communicate information with them on occasion. There is a lot of psych nursing in corrections; where I work, a huge percentage of the prisoners are on psych meds, and there are also a couple psych units. I worked in psych before working here, and it is helpful. I'd say the hardest part of my job is dealing with rude inmates; there are many. Sometimes we are short staffed. but other than that, its not very difficult.

I saw a travel job for New York city critical care, offering 6000 a week.

Whispera made me laugh, and gotta agree. I work in a psych hospital, mostly on the addiction floor, which is considered "dual diagnosis", meaning they have an addiction and a mental disorder. Rarely do people get that worked up/aggressive here, but it does happen on occasion (that they get worked up...never seen assault/battery)...but I've only worked here 8 months. Seems to happen mostly on the floor where we put the psychotic patients that someone might get punched; or demented patients get aggressive also.

I emailed University of Florida admissions, nursing admissions for MSN, and they said they would accept a BSN from Western Governors.

I also have a degree in psychology because it was my interest. I really doubted my wanting to be a nurse all through nursing school, and then I had my psych rotation and loved it, and everyone else couldn't wait until it was over. I got hired a month ago on a psych unit, and so far its really great. It may be I am in a excellent facility as its a magnet hospital. I'm in florida and my starting pay was more than the med/surg new grads at the local big hospital; I guess they're trying to woo people into psych. I'm still in orientation so I'm crossing my fingers about when orientation is over. From my perspective, its way less stressful than med/surg, but that could partially be because I'm really well suited to it; I'm a calm person and have a lot of life experience with mentally ill people. I tend to calm people, and I'm male, so I guess I don't worry too much about violence. Then again maybe I'm new and naive. Nurses have told me they've been hit. You might try being a mental health tech while in school; its a great way to get to know the facility that may hire you down the road and it can tell you if you like it.