Laura2000mi

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  1. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    Thank you very much for the link. It is going to take me a long time to digest it. Deep

  2. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    I guess I would say then that my only logical argument to support the pro-choice side is this: If you kill the fetus prior to it becoming a person, then it is never immoral. If you kill the fetus...

  3. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    i am not sure what you are saying here. dead tissue does not turn into a living being, no. life cannot come out of death. but we know for absolute certain that one of these three things must be...

  4. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    I admit that I am not able to "prove" that personhood begins at conception, but that is the earliest possible point where it could begin, and so by using that point as (conception), I know a priori...

  5. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    Okay fergus (and all else reading this), this is my very first, original "all-by-myself" argument. The other stuff I was arguing was based somewhat on things I was taught by other philosophers, but...

  6. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    No, I am not saying abortion is immoral and moral at the same time. I am saying circumstances and time affect it. You conceded that murder is not murder if it isn't a person being killed (like the...

  7. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    Steph- what do you mean the the unique soul (person) is lost? Isn't the soul eternal? If not, how do the childen get to heaven? I am just curious what you mean when you say the soul is lost, I am not...

  8. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    Fergus- I would like to continue our debate if you are willing, but I might need a day or so (or maybe just a few hours...) to "catch my breath". I was up last night at 4:00 am having all of this...

  9. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    Well, I would argue that there are two sides to us as persons: the animalistic part, and the eternal (soul) part. The animalistic part is our bodies, and the eternal part of us could also be referred...

  10. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    Thank you in return. I will admit, I was really worried that I would be flamed on the spot, as some of my beliefs could be considered "close minded". But, no flames came, and every one was respectful...

  11. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    It is not a question of "if this fetus survives to adulthood, will it become a person?". (Any fetus that survives to adulthood WILL become a person.) The question, and similarly, the burden of proof...

  12. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    Fergus- Please understand that I have the utmost respect for you as a person and as a nurse, and sincerely do not mean to be disrespectful or rude when posting this. I have spent a long time...

  13. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    Actually, that is the key to our argument. You must prove that after twenty weeks (or whatever number) there is guaranteed "viability", in order for viability to be the discerning factor. It HAS to be...

  14. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    "A newborn is independent. It survives outside of the womb. It doesn't need to live off of your body.... Maybe a better word would be individual or viable as in capable of living in the environment,...

  15. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    The part of your argument I find illogical is #2, the real heart of the argument. I don't think a fetus is a person before viability. People are INDEPENDENT living beings, a fetus isn't. Until it can...

  16. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    Fergus- Using my original argument...if you believe abortion is moral, then these are your only options: 1. You have found an error in my argument which would make it invalid. If this is the case,...

  17. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    First of all, the key is not proving that fetuses are people, since they obviously become people, it is proving that they are not. Citizens are arguably people within a country. Until you can prove...

  18. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    Okay, I concede that alot of people are not going to agree with me regarding the rights/free issue. So be it. But I do not agree with you when you say that morality is not legistated. Stealing,...

  19. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    Basically, in ethics, the definition of a right is "something that someone is entitled to that noone can withhold from you". If you have a right to healthcare, they must give it to you, even if you...

  20. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    "If I'm on call and they call my home, I get up at 3am, kiss my kids and drive in to assist in a D and C, or a D and E. They call, I answer. There are plenty of nurses who are willing to get out of...

  21. Would you assist in abortions?

    Laura2000mi replied to Blackcat99's topic in Ob/Gyn

    No, I will not assist in abortions. I believe abortion is wrong, in every circumstance. I don't believe that abortion is a "right" of women. The fundamental definition of a right is something that...