Laura2000mi

The hospitals in my area will hire nurse externs after they complete Meg-Surg I, which is 2nd semester of my BSN program.

Where I live (Flint, Michigan), the community college has a 6+ year waiting list, and the university has none (twice a year, students apply to get into the program, and the 40 most qualified get accepted). I work for my school's nursing department, a...

Thank you very much for the link. It is going to take me a long time to digest it. Deep stuff!

I guess I would say then that my only logical argument to support the pro-choice side is this: If you kill the fetus prior to it becoming a person, then it is never immoral. If you kill the fetus after it becomes a person, then it is always immoral. ...

i am not sure what you are saying here. dead tissue does not turn into a living being, no. life cannot come out of death. but we know for absolute certain that one of these three things must be true: living tissue (a fetus) is always a human b...

I admit that I am not able to "prove" that personhood begins at conception, but that is the earliest possible point where it could begin, and so by using that point as (conception), I know a priori that I will never murder an innocent person, and thu...

Okay fergus (and all else reading this), this is my very first, original "all-by-myself" argument. The other stuff I was arguing was based somewhat on things I was taught by other philosophers, but the following argument is my own (and therfore proba...

No, I am not saying abortion is immoral and moral at the same time. I am saying circumstances and time affect it. You conceded that murder is not murder if it isn't a person being killed (like the tapeworm). If a fetus is not a person before a certai...

Steph- what do you mean the the unique soul (person) is lost? Isn't the soul eternal? If not, how do the childen get to heaven? I am just curious what you mean when you say the soul is lost, I am not disagreeing with you. Usually I hear people say a ...

Fergus- I would like to continue our debate if you are willing, but I might need a day or so (or maybe just a few hours...) to "catch my breath". I was up last night at 4:00 am having all of this stuff race though my head. I feel alot better abou...

Well, I would argue that there are two sides to us as persons: the animalistic part, and the eternal (soul) part. The animalistic part is our bodies, and the eternal part of us could also be referred to as our free will, the ability to chose between ...

Thank you in return. I will admit, I was really worried that I would be flamed on the spot, as some of my beliefs could be considered "close minded". But, no flames came, and every one was respectful of each other, either by silently looking on, or b...

It is not a question of "if this fetus survives to adulthood, will it become a person?". (Any fetus that survives to adulthood WILL become a person.) The question, and similarly, the burden of proof lay in proving the fetus NOT to be a person, becau...

Fergus- Please understand that I have the utmost respect for you as a person and as a nurse, and sincerely do not mean to be disrespectful or rude when posting this. I have spent a long time "tweaking" this so that it hopefully comes across the way ...

Actually, that is the key to our argument. You must prove that after twenty weeks (or whatever number) there is guaranteed "viability", in order for viability to be the discerning factor. It HAS to be absolute. Not "likely". Absolute. The burden of p...

"A newborn is independent. It survives outside of the womb. It doesn't need to live off of your body.... Maybe a better word would be individual or viable as in capable of living in the environment, not in another person's body? If you removed the fe...

This past semester I took APII lecture/lab, Micro lecture/lab, and Chem lecture/lab. It was tough, but doable. One thing though: I have a very strong background in biology (cellular biology) which helped me alot during Micro. If you don't know very m...

The part of your argument I find illogical is #2, the real heart of the argument. I don't think a fetus is a person before viability. People are INDEPENDENT living beings, a fetus isn't. Until it can live outside the womb, it is not an independent li...

Fergus- Using my original argument...if you believe abortion is moral, then these are your only options: 1. You have found an error in my argument which would make it invalid. If this is the case, please let me know. 2. You know and can prove the poi...

First of all, the key is not proving that fetuses are people, since they obviously become people, it is proving that they are not. Citizens are arguably people within a country. Until you can prove that fetuses are not people, they are citizens and ...

Okay, I concede that alot of people are not going to agree with me regarding the rights/free issue. So be it. But I do not agree with you when you say that morality is not legistated. Stealing, murder, breach of contract...all immoral, all illegal. ...

Basically, in ethics, the definition of a right is "something that someone is entitled to that noone can withhold from you". If you have a right to healthcare, they must give it to you, even if you cannot pay (therefore making it free). If you have t...

"If I'm on call and they call my home, I get up at 3am, kiss my kids and drive in to assist in a D and C, or a D and E. They call, I answer. There are plenty of nurses who are willing to get out of bed to help." But do you assist for free? I assume t...

No, I will not assist in abortions. I believe abortion is wrong, in every circumstance. I don't believe that abortion is a "right" of women. The fundamental definition of a right is something that someone is entitled to, no matter what, in every cir...

Hello- I was going to Mott, but when I saw how long the waiting list is, I transferred to U of M Flint. There is no waiting list for the nursing program here- it is all based on qualifications. If you don't make it in one semester, you just reapply n...