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quoting laughingrn "until the standards or education for apn are set (such as not allowing people into the program with no clinical experience having never worked as a nurse, online programs, " this statement seem contradictory to your preference for mds as there is no requirement for working as an rn or any other clinical or health care experience necessary for med school. you do go on to say that there is also an issue with np schools that don't require a lot of clinical hours which could be a problem, but for accreditation purposes the number of clinical hours for all schools is pretty standard and pretty high. i also wonder what you are basing your disdain of online programs on. is there some research somewhere showing that the outcomes aren't as good with online programs? i am not an np, but i work in nursing education and standards are important to me. also, reality is important and if there isn't research to support claims then the claims are just prejudices. i will tell you that the research supports online education and all education at the university level is moving towards more of an online format. people are very excited about it.

Here is a success story of nurses working together to fight against layoffs and benefit cuts while the hospital executives prosper. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/17/nurses-layoffs-executives-attack_n_862741.html

That's embarrassing. I hope it wasn't some kind of Freudian slip pun.

For me, the biggest driving force for the move to DNP is the fight for parody. It seems impossible to get parody without doctoral level education being the requirement.

I think that the route you should take depends on your circumstances. If you are able to get get into a BSN program right now, can afford it, etc. then it would make since on a timeline to go that route rather than get your ADN and then go back for your BSN, especially with a 3 semester wait. If you can't then I don't see a problem with going the ADN-BSN-MSN-? I don't know anything about schools in AZ, but generally I think if it is an accredited state university then the program will be recognized.

ANyone who says that optometrists and dentists don't call themselves doctor in a clinical setting is wrong. Like I said I have several family members who are optometrists, we have had this discussion and they call themselves doctors all of the time, b/c they are. Same goes with dentists, podiatrists, etc. Obviously there are different kinds of doctors and when necessary the patients need to be told the difference.

Do you think it is okay for an optometrist to be called Dr?

Several people in my family are optometrists, and they go by Dr. I also have a freind who is a dentist that goes by Dr. None of them went to med school, isn't this the same deal?

here, here Smitty! I am applying for the DNP instead of the PhD to become tenured faculty, and I certainly plan on using Dr.

Why are we the only industrialized nation to think that healthcare is a choice not a right? The only answer I can come up with is selfishness. People are so scared of loosing their healthcare coverage that the power elite can treat people unfairly and pay them less than they deserve in order to maximize their profits and buy their fifth or sixth vacation home. We are loosing our middle class in part because people don't feel that they have the power to ask for what they deserve. I am sorry I attacked you personally, I really mean that the social norm in America is selfish. People seem only to care for themselves and their own family rather than other Americans. That seems unAmerican to me.

When people say anything negative about war we are called unAmerican. When people say things in support of other Americans (let's not go to war for the profit of the military industiral complex) we are called unAmerican, even though the whole point behind saying the negative things is that we don't want our frinds, family and neighbors to be put in harms way for the profit of others. That is American! To say that you don't want to help ohter Americans with their healthcare is very selfish diosadelsol. Why can't we support other Americans? Our healthcare system is a joke. We rank 37th in quality in a study by the world health organization and spend the second most per capita. Let's be pro-America and help each other out when we can!

Wow, people are really misinformed. I worked for the USPHS (government run health care) and I never heard a single CRNA, or any other midlevel provider complain of their pay. The physicians were paid fairly and weren't required to work 60 hours a week. It was an excellent system. Thinking rationally about the system, if you cut the 20% of healthcare costs spent on billing services (don't know if everyone spends that much, but my brother who is an MD does) that would free up a lot of money. Also the compensation of a single insurance co CEO would pay for a thousand CRNA's salaries every year. From WEBMD: United Health Group CEO: William W McGuire 2005: 124.8 mil 5-year: 342 mil

The California Nurses Association have great ideas. http://www.calnurse.org/

yes the VA does provide quality care. So does IHS, the federal bereau of prisons, essentially all government run hospitals.

Americans don't go to Canada to seek healthcare b/c we can't. Their system is free for their citizens but not for Americans b/c we don't pay taxes there. Last summer I saw (on MSNBC, and NBC nightly news) stories of Americans going to India on surgery Vacations. I do pay more taxes than most nurses (inherited natural gas wells from my grandfather) and I am fine with that. I think that paying more taxes to help with healthcare for those more needy than I would be a great thing b/c it has the potential to make my country a nicer place to live. Of course I don't think that the success of Bill Gates is wrong. I do think that charging hundreds of dollars for a monolpolized operating system is.