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labordude BSN, RN

L&D, OBED, NICU, Lactation
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labordude has 14 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in L&D, OBED, NICU, Lactation.

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  1. labordude

    OB Unit for Male Student

    It's only awkward when someone makes it awkward. I generally see male students rejected more when they are presented poorly by the nurse they are with. "Hey, I'm Jackie and this is John, he's a nursing student working with me today and we're going to take great care of you" is DRAMATICALLY more successful than "Hey, I'm Susan, I'll be your nurse today. We also have a male nursing student, would it be okay if he helped care for you today?" If we keep presenting it in a way that makes it seem weird or suspect, we do no one any favors. I can't even imagine how my career would have gone if my experience had been like that. I had an amazing clinical instructor who saw that me (at the time, a 21-yr old clueless nursing student) really, really liked OB and she made it so that the experience was as successful as it could have been. That is what students (especially men) need to have in OB/Peds. Men can thrive in those areas and both the clinical instructors and the nursing staff need to ensure the same high quality education gets to every single one of their students.
  2. labordude

    OB Unit for Male Student

    Wait, are you in the United States? I'd be happy to speak with you in a private chat and help you out because this is absolutely insane.
  3. labordude

    The Stigma of Men in Nursing

    Submitted my app today (finally) I'll let you know what comes of it haha Oh hospitals definitely try to come up with excuses...they don't last long in my world
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    The Stigma of Men in Nursing

    The number of men as OB/GYNs is rapidly dropping. As of 2018, 82% of the residents in the specialty were female. It will probably settle out somewhere around 80/20 (F/M) once everything is said and done and men are considered diversity picks in some programs. There is no way to compare the two directly (number of male OBs vs number of male nurses in OB) simply because they are so different to begin with. A male going into OB/GYN as a physician doesn't face nearly the same uphill battle as a male who wants to do obstetric nursing. It's better than it was 10 years ago for nurses though.
  5. Hi Labordude,

    I am Croaker, a graduate male nursing student attempting to get hired into L&D.

    I had no interest in OB nursing at all until my 4th semester of school, when I start my OB rotation and decided I wanted to pursue it, so by the Lord's grace and providence I applied to precept in L&D and got to precept at an OB-ED(which my school has never been offered a preceptor slot for, and which I had the honor and privilege of also the first male to ever precept there or at any of the OB Units that I am aware of) and absolutely loved it. I thoroughly enjoyed the mix of skills to practice, the relationships you get to build with patients, and the overall sense of making a difference in mommy/baby's life.

    Anywho, considering your background, would you have any advice how to best prepare to work in L&D(classes to take/certs/tips for success)? I am set to shadow with the hospital I want to work in next week(no interviews yet!), and I am stoked that they provided this opportunity to me.


    Croaker, BSN

    1. labordude

      labordude, BSN, RN

      Congrats my dude!

      Welcome to the fold and it's a great place to be. Seriously, men can thrive in OB. Also, OBED is one of my favorite areas to work, the pace, the critical thinking, I love all of it. I would say you ABSOLUTELY need to take AWHONN's Intro to Fetal Monitoring course (online) https://www.awhonn.org/general/custom.asp?page=IntroOnlineCourse

      Get a copy of Lisa Miller's Pocket Guide https://www.amazon.com/Mosbys-Pocket-Guide-Fetal-Monitoring/dp/0323401570/

      They will get you NRP certified and depending on the facility, ACLS (which I would highly recommend to the point where if they don't require it, do it anyway).

      But most importantly try to experience all areas of OB including antepartum, L&D, and postpartum. Normally in a new graduate orientation, you get time in all the areas. Within OB there are sub-specialties that you can learn like lactation, scrubbing in the OR (to assist the OB), or nursery/special care/NICU. From a new grad, I want someone I can work with and train. As long as you come across as interested and teachable, you'll be a curiosity for a little bit but that goes away and you will shine.

      All of that is important, but being a guy requires a little more finesse which you clearly demonstrate otherwise you wouldn't have gotten this far. I usually walk into a room like I own the place and then sit down. Would highly recommend you spend more time at OR BELOW eye level with your patients as it truly minimizes the power dynamic. Always explain everything to the patient and make sure they are okay to proceed. Some guys have their own family stories or birth stories from their kids and it's totally cool to relate to these with families. Building quick rapport with the staff and patients/families is an important skill.

      You've got this!

    2. Croaker


      Thanks man!! I appreciate the wisdom Being 6'5", I totally see how my patients are a bit more comfortable when I am at eye level haha, and I plan to get ACLS as soon as I have the cash along with anything else I can find to help me in my goals in OB/

      It has been an interesting few days for sure, with a bit of confusion on what area to work in first! *que story time*

      I went and shadowed for two days on L&D at the hospital with the OBED I precepted at, and the nurse educator called me into her office on the second day, and we chatted about my long-term goals, and she thinks considering I still am interested in ER and mission's work that I apply for the same hospital's level I trauma center. She thinks I would could do wonders down there with my obstetrics background as I am comfortable dealing with OB emergencies.

      So I took her advice, and looked up the spot she spoke on. Low and behold, the ER spot was gone, but five spots were open in another smaller community hospital's L&D/Post-partum that I also precepted in

      (Long story; since there are currently no male nurses working in L&D in a 50 mile radius of the nursing school I graduated from and the fact my OB instructors weren't sure if the larger hospital I was precepting at in the OBED would take to me, and my preceptor didn't know anyone who she thought was willing to precept me and I wanted to do L&D before making a decision on to pursue the specialty(since 10 hours in clinicals is a lil' bit too short for my tastes!), my OB instructors arranged for me to precept at another hospital, but I just happened to send an email to my friend at this community hospital, who then forwarded it to the nurse manager of L&D, who thought my email was so fantastic she contacted my instructors and arranged to let me precept there. The original plan was to precept there after my OBED time ended for additional hours, but the nurse manager/educator thought I was coming immediatelym soThe chaos that ensured from her wanting me to basically start immediately was a bit trying since it was awkward on my OB instructor as it was like "where's our student!?!?", and I ended up talking to my OB instructors and the course manager of precepting for the CON, and I finally decided to cut my time at the OBED short and start at the community hospital in L&D. Despite the craziness for a bit, my instructors were both very proud of me for honoring my commitments, and everything worked out swell, and I uniquely had the privilege of having of two preceptor ship's in my nursing class haha!)

      Anyway, I shot the nurse manager there an email and she seemed very excited I contacted her(since she has actually WANTED a male RN in L&D for a long time but they had no positions available at the time to offer any of the preceptees) so she is going to call me this week and schedule an interview.

      I then went today and delivered thank you cards to the two nurses I shadowed and the educator/manager at the larger hospital, also mentioning I intend to work there in the future(Because they have the OBED woot woot).

      So yeah, it's been an interesting few days!

      Anywho, you can pray that the Lord would give me discernment in choosing where to work, and he would put me exactly where I need to be so I can use my passion for OB to serve others!:)

      I will keep ya posted on where I end up haha!

      Good luck to you brother!

  6. labordude

    The Stigma of Men in Nursing

    That is 100% not how that should be going and not beneficial to your learning experience. We don't do that to our students, they are all treated the same. If I have student X, it's hey this is X, they're a student working with me today. IF patient objects, then we go from there. Typically doesn't happen. By asking in the way they are, they are creating the mindset that something must be different or weird about it because they asked about it in the first place. The charge nurse or previous shift nurse doesn't ask every patient if it's okay if I take care of them, they assign me a patient and I go about my day. We have male students with me and other nurses all the time without issues. Your instructors are subpar, the nurses clearly aren't helping you out, and that makes me frustrated for you. The truth is that many guys have great OB rotations even if they have no interest in the area. I did and that's how I fell in love with the specialty.
  7. labordude

    The Stigma of Men in Nursing

    And as it turns out, not only do I MORE than surpass their requirements for the position, since LA is a compact state I am already authorized to practice there. But..it's Baton Rouge man... I'm still gonna apply though
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    The Stigma of Men in Nursing

    I'll take them on!
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    The Stigma of Men in Nursing

  10. labordude

    The Stigma of Men in Nursing

    If you are saying you fit into the "fatter, less attractive guy" part and that you are aware there is a difference in treatment, then you my friend know what to do. This is one of those things that is absolutely within your control. My co-workers and I all wear the exact same formless hospital scrubs that we get out of a machine at work. You have mentioned several times about being fit/hot. If you know that the girls around you think fitness is attractive and you want to be attractive to said girls, hop on the fitness train. Actually it's a good idea anyway, it pays dividends in all aspects of your life. I'm in better shape in my late 30's than I've ever been in my entire life and I am watching my younger siblings struggle to play with their kids. Being healthy and fit and being perceived as attractive because of those things will influence some people's thoughts on you so why not make sure you have an advantage in that area? There's always one @Wuzzie isn't there!
  11. labordude

    The Stigma of Men in Nursing

    While I agree with you, I don't think that's what people are saying when talking about getting more men into nursing. You can't hire people if they aren't applying or trained for a position. It's the same with the idea of getting more women into STEM fields, you have to understand why they're not there in the first place. It is a perfectly legitimate question to ask as to why more men are not in this field and if we're trying to diversify, that does include trying to bring in those who are a minority which for nursing is absolutely men.
  12. labordude

    The Stigma of Men in Nursing

    Interesting, so you view nursing as a calling? That is definitely a traditionally feminine view of it. I must be a real enigma to you then. A man without a call to nursing who works in the most "no-male zone" of all specialties (OB) and has become basically a rock star. I'm curious how close to nursing you were when you were in healthcare to gather your observations. At the end of the day, your views are what they are, it just seems they are also altered by the worldview that is coming across in your posts. People go into nursing for all kinds of reasons and thrive in it, regardless of their inner caring nature or "call" to the nursing arena. I never felt called to nursing, it does allow me take advantage of some of my strengths, but so will medicine. We had this conversation in one my seminar courses the other day about the reasons people go into medicine/nursing/healthcare/etc, it was pretty fascinating.
  13. labordude

    The Stigma of Men in Nursing

    Of course that's my biggest interest, though who knows if something else comes along that really catches my attention. I maintain an open mind, but also the realism of knowing what specialty areas I'm most passionate about.
  14. labordude

    The Stigma of Men in Nursing

    Yeah, I started the CNM program, then withdrew to head on this path. Was always in the back of my mind and some pieces fell into place to allow me to take the leap.
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    The Stigma of Men in Nursing

    Good luck to you!
  16. labordude

    The Stigma of Men in Nursing

    Such a cop-out on their part. It's incredibly, incredibly rare that I ever have to change a patient assignment and I have patients who from all over the world and a huge range of cultural/religious backgrounds. When are you applying? I think we might have talked about this before. I'm finishing up my postbac now with MCAT in May 2020 then applying for Fall 2021. @ArmyRntoMD

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