Hey so I was wondering if a nursing professor will still fail you even if you put in a lot of effort over the semester to do well. Like you went to go get help from the in-school tutors and visited her after you didn't do well on tests and stuff.
I'm going in the final for my Womens/Peds class right on the brink of failing. I have to raise my grade 4 points in order to pass. My grades have steadily been improving over the semester and I honestly can say that I have done my best.
Will the professor still fail me if I don't do so well on the final?
If you don't pass, you don't pass, period. It scares me that some people think they should just be passed on effort.
What if this was your family and this was what the hospital told you? We are sorry Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your nurse tried real hard to save your baby, she even went to a tutor to learn how to save your baby, she just didn't pass the tests. But because she went to a tutor they decided to pass her. We all thought she would figure the concepts out later. Yes she was unsafe on the delivery of your child and we apologize, but she went to a tutor and tried real hard.
That obviously doesn't fly in the real world. It sounds ridiculous. You have to be a safe nurse. You have people's lives and well-being in your hands. If you still are not getting these concepts, maybe you need another semester to grasp them.
if youre going to school next year, i suggest studying therapeutic communication in advance. you clearly need it. I am not 12.
I love how often this tactic gets thrown around. Therapeutic communication does not mean never telling someone an unpleasant truth. I'll admit it probably doesn't include, "What are you, 12?" That said, I'm not talking to a patient here, so....
Your further advocacy of whining and crying as valid tactics to use on professors is pathetic and not helpful to anyone looking to be a serious student, or to function as an adult. I've had to go to school next to students like you before. I don't relish repeating the experience.
When I was in school, there was no sympathy points. There was no bonus points for a student because they showed a good effort. If you were 1 point short of getting a B (and I mean one point out of the four hundred and some points available for the course, not one percentage point), you failed. How would an instructor judge good effort? How do the decide if the effort a given student displayed was worth one point? Five points? Ten points? Yes, putting in lots of effort is important, but doing well on tests is also important. Given the fact that you have to pass the NCLEX to get a license, it can be seen how important doing well on tests really is.
It is true that I am speaking of only one school, and I do not know how it works in every nursing school--however, I suspect the vast majority of schools will not give you points just because they liked your effort. I certainly would not spend too much time trying to cozy up to instructors--use that time to prepare for your exams. In the end, you are going to be judged on your grades and grades alone, not on your professors' perceptions of your effort.
Hey so I was wondering if a nursing professor will still fail you even if you put in a lot of effort over the semester to do well. Like you went to go get help from the in-school tutors and visited her after you didn't do well on tests and stuff.
I'm going in the final for my Womens/Peds class right on the brink of failing. I have to raise my grade 4 points in order to pass. My grades have steadily been improving over the semester and I honestly can say that I have done my best.
Will the professor still fail me if I don't do so well on the final?
In a nutshell, YES, but I wonder why is that up for discussion?
Since 'trying really hard' isn't the measure by which students pass or fail, successfully passing assignments and tests is, why SHOULD you pass this class? You haven't met the minimum standard, so......failing should be in order.
I don't know what sympathy points are (someone mentioned that) but the computerized NCLEX is not a sympathetic testing device, so....no one is doing you any favors in allowing you to pass if you cannot be well-prepared for that exam.
Since 'trying really hard' isn't the measure by which students pass or fail,
Unfortunately, our "A for effort" world teaches kids differently as they grow up. It's such a disservice because it leaves them shocked and without resources when the reality of adult life hits them in the face. Then they come onto professional discussion boards and recommend whining, crying, and trying to gain sympathy from the teacher as methods for boosting one's grades. Which trust me will not help you and will irritate and offend most college professors.
I don't know what sympathy points are (someone mentioned that)
I'm not sure if someone mentioned "sympathy points" before me, but I'm referring to the awarding of bonus points to someone based on that student's (difficult) situation. For example, a fellow classmate gave birth on a Friday. On the following Wednesday there was a test. She was not given sympathy points even though she been through quite a bit just before the exam. On a side note she passed the course and graduated from the program.
I'm not sure if someone mentioned "sympathy points" before me, but I'm referring to the awarding of bonus points to someone based on that student's (difficult) situation. For example, a fellow classmate gave birth on a Friday. On the following Wednesday there was a test. She was not given sympathy points even though she been through quite a bit just before the exam. On a side note she passed the course and graduated from the program.
Ok, and I most certainly understand giving some slack to a student who has had a major life event: birth, death, marriage, divorce....these are one-time occurances that are expected to have a temporary negative impact on one's performance but does not reflect their TRUE performance/expectation for the entire course.
That is quite different from someone who fails to succeed for no other reason than....they just can't meet the requirements.
Unfortunately, our "A for effort" world teaches kids differently as they grow up. It's such a disservice because it leaves them shocked and without resources when the reality of adult life hits them in the face. Then they come onto professional discussion boards and recommend whining, crying, and trying to gain sympathy from the teacher as methods for boosting one's grades. Which trust me will not help you and will irritate and offend most college professors.
I'm starting to see the repercussions of this method of childrearing showing itself more and more. When I require people to return for followups who then don't, don't call, don't show and I finally able to track them down, I frequently hear "oh, I forgot". Not "OMG, I'm so sorry, where was my head, sorry this caused you any inconvenience, what can I do to set this right?!?" Nope. Just "I forgot", as though that in and of itself is reason enough to have blown off their appointment. I have yet to have this happen in the elderly generation, but it frequently happens in the 20-somethings. Not bashing all 20-somethings, of course, but this HAS been my experience.
When my kids were young, their recreational soccer league would give out season-end trophies to every kid on the team. Even if they didn't show up half the time. Even if they didn't show up at all. Will NEVER forgethelping the organizers by unpacking boxes of trophies to give out at the 'trophy-giving event' and saw one name listed for a kid I assumed dropped out, because he'd NEVER come, not ONCE, all season. But don't you know his MOM was there to get his trophy? That's right: kid STILL doesn't come to anything, including the trophy-giving thing, but his PARENTS made sure to get that trophy! What a joke. Have to wonder how Mom "presented" it to him.
I will never forget how I shocked a YMCA sports director by telling him that I didn't want my kid to get a trophy. I was being forced into paying for one because they didn't want any of the kids to feel "left out." I protested. My son was fine with it, because I explained to him that trophies are for people who win championships, and when gotten for nothing they are meaningless. He agreed. At the ripe age of 9 he understood. Yet the 20 something guy running the program said he had never heard such a thing before.
I bet. And I live in a really conservative/traditional area, yet still this mushy, expect-nothing parenting ethic seems to have taken over. I've gotten extremely selective about the institutions to which I entrust my kids.
I had student complain that the instructor "gave" her an incomplete because she failed to turn in an assigment. Her complaint was that she was present every day in class, so should have been exempt. I told her I hope she got a gold star for attendance, but for a grade you have to do assignments as stated by the instructor.
Can you feature this -" Hi! I am your nurse. I flunked out of school, have no idea how to even pronounce most meds and not sure what I am supposed to be watching for today, but hey! I am a nice person and will be your nurse".
That is quite different from someone who fails to succeed for no other reason than....they just can't meet the requirements.
My point was, that my school didn't even give out points for this. How would you weight these points? 2 points for having a baby. 3 points for death in the family--5 if it is a parent or sibling. I'm not trying to sound cold it about, and I don't really like slippery slope arguments, but awarding points for negative life events is, well, a slippery slope.
That said, I'm not talking to a patient here, so....
NurseGirl525, ASN, RN
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If you don't pass, you don't pass, period. It scares me that some people think they should just be passed on effort.
What if this was your family and this was what the hospital told you? We are sorry Mr. and Mrs. Jones, your nurse tried real hard to save your baby, she even went to a tutor to learn how to save your baby, she just didn't pass the tests. But because she went to a tutor they decided to pass her. We all thought she would figure the concepts out later. Yes she was unsafe on the delivery of your child and we apologize, but she went to a tutor and tried real hard.
That obviously doesn't fly in the real world. It sounds ridiculous. You have to be a safe nurse. You have people's lives and well-being in your hands. If you still are not getting these concepts, maybe you need another semester to grasp them.