President Biden thread

17 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Those all refer to what he says and how. Not if he comprehends his verbal expression. He may very well speak like a grade 8, but he articulates ideas into his thought process and can finalize ideas verbally. Eloquently? No. See. I can admit Trump is bad with words and I often cringe at his boisterous wording. You wouldn't criticisize Biden over anything. 

Further more those sources are just as bias as anything else. Allot of people think like you where Trump all bad, Biden all good. So of course there's going to be articles like the ones you cited. I could find three more to counteract them...

 

Yikes.  You really haven't paid any attention to Trump's speech patterns.  

Yes, your media voices now has you concerned about Biden instead.  

There's no reason to continue beating this dead horse. You won't even read and consider the reporting from a variety of sources.  Of the two men, Biden and Trump only one of them has displayed verbal and physical symptoms of cognitive decline and it's not Biden.  If you had all of those examples of that concern about Biden you would have shared them.  What you have is right wing propaganda encouraging you to believe that thing that Trump said about Biden.  And you believed it.  

18 minutes ago, Cclm said:

. You wouldn't criticisize Biden over anything. 

You haven't offered up anything worth criticizing...just propaganda nonsense about his cognition. 

5 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yikes.  You really haven't paid any attention to Trump's speech patterns.  

Yes, your media voices now has you concerned about Biden instead.  

There's no reason to continue beating this dead horse. You won't even read and consider the reporting from a variety of sources.  Of the two men, Biden and Trump only one of them has displayed verbal and physical symptoms of cognitive decline and it's not Biden.  If you had all of those examples of that concern about Biden you would have shared them.  What you have is right wing propaganda encouraging you to believe that thing that Trump said about Biden.  And you believed it.  

No actually I have my own personal experience along with info from several sources right and left. There is no longer objective info reporting . I research both sides of the topic then merge them with my personal and professional experience. 

I will and have criticized Trump when appropriate.  I will also praise Biden when appropriate.  You however cannot do this there for your entire argument is tainted by your own extreme bias and hate for Trump. 

6 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You haven't offered up anything worth criticizing...just propaganda nonsense about his cognition. 

Really? There's nothing you've seen on your own that Biden has said or done? Really???

8 minutes ago, Cclm said:

No actually I have my own personal experience along with info from several sources right and left. There is no longer objective info reporting . I research both sides of the topic then merge them with my personal and professional experience. 

I will and have criticized Trump when appropriate.  I will also praise Biden when appropriate.  You however cannot do this there for your entire argument is tainted by your own extreme bias and hate for Trump. 

Really? There's nothing you've seen on your own that Biden has said or done? Really???

You are pretty confident in what you believe about me so I'll just let you simmer in it. 

1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You are pretty confident in what you believe about me so I'll just let you simmer in it. 

 

Criticize Biden! It's a challenge. 

1 hour ago, Cclm said:

In my opinion. Disclaimer: I know they all use the teleprompter: It seemed he was only reading words, not understanding them. I conclude this as he doesn't pause between words or end of sentences. Like he's been coached or reheorificed. I see more in other instances where his recall is not fully there. He loses his thought train and forgets what he is saying in mid sentence. 

My personal observations. I see the confused look in his face and his gait is off. His reliance on what people tell him. So often my mom in particular would say, " my daughter told me I should do this" or " I'll get in trouble"  allot. It is sad really. I can explain more when I have some time. 

No need to explain further, you can have your observations and opinions from your life's perspectives.  

I was kind of thinking the same thing about his speech, that he  reading words and he reminds of G.W. Bush, Reagan (who actually later developed dementia) and Bill Clinton who sounded the same way.  A certain lack of oomph or passion, but yet organized and well read.  

I think in my lifetime I liked Obama's style the best in manner of giving speeches.  Trump rambled too much and doesn't know how to be concise and threw in childish insults like "pencil neck".   Not that he didn't give a few good scripted speeches because he did.  

People thought G.W. Bush had a low IQ from the way he talked, and Nixon (like Bush) was thought to be an alcoholic based on his public appearances and rumor.

  I guess time will tell in the end how Biden's condition (he apparently eats well and works out five days a week), or lack of, plays out.

57 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You are pretty confident in what you believe about me so I'll just let you simmer in it. 

 

We have criticized him and talked about his mishandling of the border, the Afghan crises and other things.  The challenge would be to listen to a criticism of Biden without bringing up Trump.   Some of us can't handle that.

8 minutes ago, Tweety said:

We have criticized him and talked about his mishandling of the border, the Afghan crises and other things.  The challenge would be to listen to a criticism of Biden without bringing up Trump.   Some of us can't handle that.

Fair enough.  It's just so appropriate to balance current stated concern against recent history and the complete lack of concern expressed there. It's hard to take this new found concern seriously when it ignored the obvious signs in Trump that it purports to highlight out of alarm now.  Inability to identify cognitive issues a year ago doesn't really stand someone in a place of observational expertise today. 

20 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Fair enough.  It's just so appropriate to balance current stated concern against recent history and the complete lack of concern expressed there. It's hard to take this new found concern seriously when it ignored the obvious signs in Trump that it purports to highlight out of alarm now.  Inability to identify cognitive issues a year ago doesn't really stand someone in a place of observational expertise today. 

I as a person do not see the same decline in Trump. However I could be wrong about Biden. I hope I am. 

16 minutes ago, Cclm said:

I as a person do not see the same decline in Trump. However I could be wrong about Biden. I hope I am. 

Hence your relative lack of credibility in identifying cognitive decline in Biden. 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda

Definition of propaganda

1capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions

2: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person

3: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing causealso : a public action having such an effect

19 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Hence your relative lack of credibility in identifying cognitive decline in Biden. 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda

Definition of propaganda

1capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions

2: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person

3: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing causealso : a public action having such an effect

So why is your opinions credible and mine are not? What makes you the person that decides that? 

I could categorize your opinions as propaganda just as easily. 

I gave you an opinion with examples. Just because it is different than yours doesn't mean it's propaganda.  You spout ideas a beliefs that you say conservatives do.  

Now critique Biden. Just one thing. You won't. 

27 minutes ago, Cclm said:

So why is your opinions credible and mine are not? What makes you the person that decides that? 

I could categorize your opinions as propaganda just as easily. 

I gave you an opinion with examples. Just because it is different than yours doesn't mean it's propaganda.  You spout ideas a beliefs that you say conservatives do.  

Now critique Biden. Just one thing. You won't. 

My opinion that Trump appears to be mentally unstable and in decline is consistent with observable behavior (like name calling, ranting, emotional outbursts, anger, lying), by quantifiable decline in speech patterns as evidenced by video and is supported by very credible writing and reporting from people like Woodward and Costa.  

I mentioned propaganda because the concern about Biden's cognitive status is propaganda.  Some conservative media and digital content is very engaged in propaganda and this concern is an example of propaganda using projection to deflect the real concern away from Trump who is so unstable that he incited an attack on the Capitol and is continuing to undermine our elections. 

Biden is old. In my view he's too old to be president but that's because I'm a 72 year old male that did hard physical labor and I am tired and sore and can't imagine having that responsibility at that age.  But he's not me.  He didn't spend a lifetime doing hard physical labor.  He's apparently in better health than me, that's common in this capitalist society...for wealthy and powerful white men have better health care access and better health outcomes than do the working masses.  So yeah, we should all be concerned that our president is old, again.  We should watch for evidence of decline...we learned that in real time with Reagan.  But this old man isn't suffering from narcissistic personality disorder like the last fellow.  This old man makes gaffes and mistakes and gets things wrong, but he's not a liar like that last fellow.