August 29th, 2008 PRC negotiating mutual recognition deal for RP professionals MANILA - Officials of the Professional Regulation Commission (PRC) said Friday the Philippine government was negotiating with other countries for mutual recognition arrangements for engineers, architects, nurses and accountants.
“We have to be open to these negotiations for the exchange of knowledge and experience between our professionals and the those from other countries,” PRC Commissioner Ruth Padilla said in a press briefing. Padilla said the government was working out these arrangements with Australia, New Zealand and Canada.
“There are plenty of offers from other countries, but we have to be careful in making agreements because we have to protect our professionals,” Padilla added. On Monday, Southeast Asian economic ministers signed agreements allowing accountants, dentists and doctors to work in each other's countries. The Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) has already signed similar arrangements covering architects, surveyors, engineers and nurses. Under the pacts, ASEAN states will mutually recognize qualifications and standards covering these professionals so they can practice in any ASEAN country. The accords will also ensure that professional standards in an ASEAN state are maintained, monitored and regulated. The measures to facilitate movement of professionals within the region are part of ASEAN’s efforts toward economic integration, which include easing the flow of goods and services as well as investments.
In December 2006, ASEAN economic ministers signed a mutual recognition agreement for nurses. The signing of the agreement was expected to pave the way for the deployment of more Filipino nurses in the region. (inquirer.net)
You cannot negotiate until things are corrected first in your country.
Negotiations mean give and take and working out something so that it is beneficial to both sides. If the Philippines does not have something set-up to permit other foreign nurses to work there, then the other countries do not need to accept them.
And especially if the nurse trained there for four years; currently, they cannot get licensed in the Philippines. That needs to be addressed first before anything else will be accomplished.
You cannot negotiate until things are corrected first in your country.
Negotiations mean give and take and working out something so that it is beneficial to both sides. If the Philippines does not have something set-up to permit other foreign nurses to work there, then the other countries do not need to accept them.
And especially if the nurse trained there for four years; currently, they cannot get licensed in the Philippines. That needs to be addressed first before anything else will be accomplished.
why do you always contradict with our goverment . im sure before they go in the table for negotiation for thie ASEAm meber they have drafted already. and besides this has nothing to do with the US and your not here you dont kbow whats hapening. your not a meber of the PRC and you dont knw what there doing. ok please
Unfortunately, I am very aware of what is going on with the PRC almost on a daily basis. And quite familiar with what is going on with ASEAN as I used to live in a country that was a member of that group.
The other issue is that medications are also called by different names as well as lab values use different formats, so hard to just cross to another state and be able to work.
When things are of one way in a country, they can not even attempt to dictate what another country should be doing. And there is considerable difference in engineering and architecture and those types of professions from nursing.
Same way that you do not see physicians automatically getting licensed in other countries, just is not going to happen.
We see all different types of statements being made by public officials from there when they do not hold water anywhere. There are a few that came out with statements that those that flunk the NLE should just be given title of practical nurse and then permitted to work with that, not even realizing that your government does not recognize it for licensure; nor that any other country recognizes if for immigration purposes.
Suspect things will get worse again with statements like this since elections are going to be coming up there again as well.
You think that I have issues with those from the Philippines, if I did, I would not spend time with helping someone pass the NCLEX nor make decisions on what they wish to do next while wating for a chance at a visa. I actually have quite a few students that live in the Philippines that I assist almost on a daily basis. But the fact remains that your own government is trying to take advantage of the nurses there, and that needs to change first before you can expect any other country just to accept what your country wishes to do. So far they have not been successful with any of the agreements that they have signed as none have been for the RN role, only as care-givers.
Your country is first going to need to come out with the fact that they will permit a foreign national to get licensed there before they can think that another country will just permit someone to come there to work without meeting their own specific requirements first.
Dave787, she's right. The government is just keeping the status quo. They seem to be doing the least amount of work to show the public that they are supposedly working for the people. These pacts they pledge with ASEAN are a call for caregivers and not for RNs.
If the Philippines really wants to open the licensing to foreigners and allow them to practice as general RNs then I'm all for it. I don't see a reason why they would keep foreigners out. PRC already allows for RN specialists, but not for general RNs.
I wonder what the PRC or government is afraid of. It can't be because of the multitude of open RN positions in the Philippines. We both know there are probably several dozen/hundreds of applicants for every position. It can't be because of the oh-so-lofty salary of 6,000 to 9,000 pesos/month. Because we know that this barely covers daily transportation and food expenses. Can it be for the training? The training where our own government allows their hospitals to CHARGE us to volunteer? Training programs that other nations seem fit to redo with their more advance ways of doing things?
What is the use of new laws/regulations if they don't follow them? It saddens me to know how many suffer for the elite to remain in power. As citizens we need not only demand that our country change for the better, but also to oversee the changes/laws they have made are upheld. The recent scandals and questionable deals our country has made spells outright hypocrisy.
You wonder if a dictatorship is better for the country, where only the same handful of people steal from the public. Hopefully they will steal enough and leave the crumbs for the rest. While in today's government where there are a fresh group of politicians every few years who not only take the majority of our taxes, but also the crumbs.
I don't know why we keep contradicting our government? Seems like there is always something fishy going on everytime they try to negotiate something like this. No one can be trusted, their moves are so suspicious. No wonder other asian countries are racing past the Philippines, economically, financially, technologically and more. Even when we were ahead of the war stricken Vietnam, they are slowly and surely running past the Philippines this time. I am sorry but this is how I see things as of now, and I am still hoping someone along the way can champion the poor Filipinos' cause for living a better life.
You see when in politics, everyone is for himself/herself. Moreover, crab mentality always plays a role in our society.
otherwise, it will be just like any other politicking show in the philippines.
don't get me wrong here. i'm also pinoy but suzanne has a point. she may appear concretely aggressive to you laying her opinion (based from gathered infos), but she has a point which we can all ponder on for a moment before throwing out a tantrum.
otherwise, hope is the best thing to think about regarding the negotiation.
:lghmky: keep up with the beat, no matter what happens!
I have many friends that I work with that go on medical missions for two weeks to the Philippines, some go every six months and some go every year. They are able to use their US license as they have approval from your government and are going there on a mission. And it is special documented approval, one cannot just go there and then decide to volunteer for two weeks; everything is put in place long before they go there. And this is the way that it should be.
But if they were to go there and wish to live there and work there, they would not be able to practice there. Your government does not permit it.
This is the point that I am trying to make and until your country will actually permit a foreign nurse to live and work there as an RN in one of the hospitals, then they have no right to demand anything else of any other country.
Mutual recognition is also not reciprocity; licenses would need to be obtained and the requirements met. But again, the Philippines needs to open its doors first to others.
suzanne4, RN
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You cannot negotiate until things are corrected first in your country.
Negotiations mean give and take and working out something so that it is beneficial to both sides. If the Philippines does not have something set-up to permit other foreign nurses to work there, then the other countries do not need to accept them.
And especially if the nurse trained there for four years; currently, they cannot get licensed in the Philippines. That needs to be addressed first before anything else will be accomplished.