Pneumograms

SteveNNP, MSN, NP · Jan 1, 2006

I've never seen one done.......

sparkyRN · Jan 1, 2006

Are you guys still doing pneumograms on your kids or are we just stuck in the 1980s at my hospital?

Tell me what it is...maybe we are doing them, but calling them something else.

fergus51 · Jan 1, 2006

Some people call them sleep studies or nocturnal desat studies. It's hooking tha baby up to a bunch of wires to see if they are apneic, desatting during the night.

cathys01 · Jan 1, 2006

We do them on our unit. I've seen maybe three or four in the last year, so we don't do many of them.

Deidre Shiobhan · Jan 1, 2006

I thought sleep studies are normally done in older kids or adults, why is there a need for these babies particularly when they are premature. Can you elaborate further the indication for this test and the expected outcome. :confused:

rainbows4me · Jan 1, 2006

We do "5 channel studies" which along with the regular HR/RR/sat also monitor esophageal pH. Never saw so many kids diagnosed with reflux as those on our unit... wonder how many kids off the street would test positive for reflux if you gave them all a 5 channel... It's become a big joke around here now.

Gompers, BSN, RN · Jan 1, 2006

We call them sleep studies. It's basically just an extra set of leads and another nelcor, so it's like double monitors. We also have a pH probe placed in the baby's throat by the respiratory therapist that sets up the studies, and get X-ray to confirm it. We label the monitor tracing that comes out with when feedings start and stop, and if they were PO or NG. We do it on babies who are either having tons of apnea, or babies who are r/o reflux.

prmenrs, RN · Jan 1, 2006

Diedre:

Sometimes premies that don't set off alarms for apnea/bradicardia actually have the type of breathing pattern associated w/SIDS. (Before sleep studies/whatever your facility calls them were done, premies had a higher incidence of SIDS than non premies.) Those identified can be sent home on Caffiene and a monitor. Caffiene is used to treat Apnea of Prematurity, if they're sending a baby home w/it, a monitor is indicated as well.

I think the "standard of care" in our community is to do them for kids born under a certain gestation, not sure what the number is. I'd prefer to see anyone

fergus51 · Jan 1, 2006

We seem to do them on everybody. They even do them on term babies who have had a dusky spell in newborn. I really question the value of these tests because every baby seems to fail them and they all wind up having to go home on monitors. These are often kids who haven't had an AB spell for weeks and aren't even on the pulse ox in the unit. If we aren't even monitoring their O2sats in the unit, then why do it at home?

Gompers, BSN, RN · Jan 2, 2006

I thought sleep studies are normally done in older kids or adults, why is there a need for these babies particularly when they are premature. Can you elaborate further the indication for this test and the expected outcome.

We do them to rule out the cause of apnea, desats, or irregular breathing. If it's reflux (which will show on the pH probe monitor, plus will correlate with feeds) then they will increase or change the reflux meds, or even consider a fundoplication if it's severe. If it's central apnea, the baby is given caffiene and sent home on monitors.

Deidre Shiobhan · Jan 2, 2006

Now I know what is it all about, we call it PH study in my unit. We normally carry out such studies if we suspect that this premie has an indication for GER especially if the apnoeic episodes are associated with post feeding.