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Since this forum attracts a good number of new members daily, I thought it might be a good idea to post this sticky that addresses some of the more commonly asked questions here. That way, our new members may have a single area where they can find the answers to some of their questions, rather than searching all over the board for it.

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Now for some answers to some of the most frequently asked questions here in the Distance Learning forum:

  • Excelsior College is not an online program. It is a distance ed program, where you test out of the required courses, culminating in taking a clinical performance exam (CPNE) at the end.

  • Excelsior (EC) is not accepted in CA. If you live in CA, you may want to consider Indiana State University's LPN-BSN program. Other states have stipulations regarding EC graduates. It is necessary to contact your own state's Board of Nursing to determine whether there are any restrictions in your state. See SBON contact info here if needed: https://allnurses.com/boards-of-nursing-info.html

  • For EC, you can take the first 2 nursing exams before you enroll in the program. You must either be a paramedic, a LPN, or an ASN student, who has completed half the program.

  • **The College Network, and other companies that say they'll get you your degree through EC or ISU are ONLY PUBLISHING COMPANIES. They DO NOT grant degrees, nor are they officially affiliated with EC at least. You most likely do not need to spend thousand of dollars on these publishing companies. Most likely, a quick check on Ebay for some of these guides will save you a lot of money, and you can avoid signing a contract.** EC provides free course outlines to their students, as well as practice tests on their website (for a fee). Those have proven to be better than anything for some, in studying for the exams.

  • If you are a paramedic, or have very little nursing experience, you may want to consider doing a CPNE workshop, if you're an EC student. There are a few that are very reputable, and some of the current EC students here can direct you to the best ones. Lynn's & Tina's are well liked, as well as EC's workshop. There are a few snakes out there that will take your money, while not teaching you anything, so check before you sign up for any workshop.

  • Yes, there is a long wait for the CPNE. It can be anywhere from 3-9 months. You can take the CPNE once you have finished all the nursing exams, and are within 9? credit hours of finishing your gen eds.

  • No, there aren't any short cuts.

  • Yes, EC grads do go on to work as RNs in the 'good' jobs.

  • Yes, EC is accredited (NLN).

  • If you see that someone was posting that they had study materials several years ago, they probably don't have them any more.

  • Please don't post, wanting to buy or sell your TCN study guides- your post will have to be deleted by the mods

  • It may be helpful to read through your CPNE study guide (all 500+ pages of it), note where you have questions, and post here for clarification. It seems overwhelming at first, but it does get better.

  • There are many, many EC & ISU grads here that were happy with their choices to attend these schools.

OK, grads & current students: that's all I could think of for now. Please add your input or comments, and correct anything I was wrong on. ;) Whew!

Specializes in ICU, PICC Nurse, Nursing Supervisor.

i look at the distance learning label as a huge umbrella, because there is all kinds of learning that can take place away from the actual classroom

  • online
  • video vhs/dvd
  • video- conference
  • self paced- ec:yeah:
  • hybrid- combination of online and classroom ( i'm taking one of these right now)
  • mail

what is the difference between an online and distance educational program? i saw both terms used in the first post of this thread and i'm confused - i use them interchangeably. am i incorrect? are they different? thanks.

I was told by an excelsior advisor that if you graduated from their college, got your RN etc for let's say NY and then practice for many years as a nurse there is a problem moving to states like CA. CA will not transfer your licensure even if you have been a full blown RN for years just because you got your education from Excelsior....at least that is what one advisor in the college said. Will call another to confirm because I thought once an RN why would they care what college you got your degree from? They said it is due to not having enough clinicals.

hi i will take a class like the hybird in flordia how is it going

Specializes in ICU, PICC Nurse, Nursing Supervisor.

if you are talking to me ...i hate hybrid classes. one reason is that i have been a online student:typing for so long and have learned to be very successful with this type of distance learning that going back to the classroom is murder for me. i did not have a choice though ...i needed one more 3 hour course and this was all that was left. this is a lower level course and i should be pulling a a but because i am having such a hard time adjusting i'm hoping for a b:(...

hi i will take a class like the hybird in flordia how is it going
Specializes in med-surg, post-partum, ER, psychiatric.

Good Info about EC. However, CA does/has hired EC graduates. I know that for a fact. I have friends from CA, who were EC grads and got jobs in CA with no issue.

Great advice about those companies who offer "tutorial" services for EC students. EC has warned EC nursing students about these services and for a very good reason. They are VERY costly and are not affiliated with EC. In Utah, a few years ago, there was such tutorial service called the Academy of Nursing. To make a long story short, a lot of EC (or prospective EC students) were royally burned by AON. There were TONS of shennanigans going on and in some terms could be deemed as "robbing" the students. There had been a couple of other such services prior to AON who were nearly the same, but not to the legal extent as AON.

EC is NLN accredited and nursing students who graduate from EC are eligible to sit for the NCLEX-RN as any other nursing student. There are TONS of other nursing school services these days that are a bit similar to EC as well as also totally on-line and also accelerated programs.

Keep in mind that EC's program was essentially and is essentially designed for those with already extensive practical experience in the medical field and designed for LPNs to bridge to RN as well as medics (civilian and military). Unfortunately, for a period of time, EC kinda slit its own throat in allowing EMT-Basics and Medical Assistants who did not have the extensive medical experience, and there were "issues" that arose as a result. Since then, EC has changed their entrance requirements and stiffened them as a result, supposedly due to the high CPNE failure rate. Who knows?

At any rate, EC is and can be a really good program. With regards as to what states do not "accept" grads from EC, double check with grads from that state to get the straight story. There are always "exceptions".........

The main reason why there is this allegedly "resistance" to hire/accept EC students is due to clinicals. It takes "educating" people about EC and the requirements to get into the program first and foremost compared to any other nursing school. You already have to have to have the medical experience in order to get into the program, and most nursing students are still actively working in a medical field while going to school through EC.

In this day and age, it's sad that there seems to be so much emphasis as to where a person got their nursing degree with the supposed nursing shortage (as with the contention of ADN vs BSN stuff................the last time I checked.......take the same NCLEX-RN regardless of being ADN, BSN or school graduated).

I have conquered the prejudices against EC nursing graduates.

Again, great info provided.

Happy Thanksgiving :-)

Sarmedic70/RN

Specializes in EMS, ED, Trauma, CEN, CPEN, TCRN.
At any rate, EC is and can be a really good program. With regards as to what states do not "accept" grads from EC, double check with grads from that state to get the straight story. There are always "exceptions".........

Are you talking about endorsing in to states after having worked as an RN for a period of time? I'm hoping that some of the states who have said they will deny EC grads after a certain date (I'm thinking of Maryland and Virginia, specifically) will eventually allow EC grads to endorse in after a period of practice as an RN. It's really quite silly to NOT do so. It's just not logical.

I have two friends from Cali who have passed their CPNEs in the last couple of months, but they've been EC students since before the 2003 deadline, so they were grandfathered in -- they've had no issues, which is great. Both have job offers as well, so yes, it is possible to get hired in Cali -- as long as you can get licensed first, I suppose.

Happy thanksgiving to you, too! I'm glad to hear people are out there conquering prejudices that have no basis in reality. :D

Specializes in med-surg, post-partum, ER, psychiatric.

A little bit of both.................Yeah, you are most correct with regards to CA and being in EC prior to the 2003 date and accepting EC grads. After you have been an RN and worked for awhile, for the most part, places don't even look from where one graduated. So by that time, and meeting the SBN requirements for that state, generally no problems getting hired. I have a license in two states, and had heard that one of those states did not accept EC graduates. I had absolutely no problems after graduating. :yeah:

When I was first looking to work as an RN right after passing my NCLEX-RN, I did encounter two separate situations where my schooling was questioned. I stood up for the program and my experience. The one, who refused to listen to logic and reality, I opted to not work. Why should I when one is so closed minded and not look at ME and my background and practical experiences and so focused on the school from where I graduated? The RN I interviewed with commented about my background and my "life experiences", but she admitted she had "reservations" about being a graduate of EC. When I was interviewing for a position as a corrections RN, I was asked about EC and also about the CPNE. The interviewers were impressed and amazed as to what was all involved. I didn't get the position in that a part-timer also applied (was for a full-time position), but I was told to reapply in that they were impressed with my interview and my background . One of these days I will, but for now I am very content and happy where I am.:yeah:

It truly does perplex me as to why so much importance is placed on from where one graduates from Nursing School (and only from one school being in scrutiny.......i.e., mostly EC) when I have worked alongside other RNs who have graduated from "traditional" nursing schools and I had some very serious reservations about them and their skills, et al..........AND they were never asked about where they graduated?:nono:......Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....................

I think it should be high time that it should be made illegal to ask about where one graduated just the same as it is illegal to ask about marital, religious, etc., status during application process and interviews. When one takes and passes the NCLEX-RN and receives his/her license, one IS an RN and qualified to practice. PERIOD!!!!!!

The UP side is, a few years ago, when I was attending the National Student Nurses Association annual conference, I enountered a dean of nursing at a very top notch nursing school who actually indicated she wished MORE nursing schools would have a "final exam" like our CPNE. She said that most of her students probably would not pass it. I also had a DON who commented (and she was also an APRN) who said to me one time that she seriously doubted she could have passed our CPNE from what all she heard about it. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........................

So, there are those who truly do have the "reality check" about EC, and that it IS a top notch nursing program, and that it doesn't "produce no junk" for the most part.:yeah: Just like with any other nursing program, some do slide through the program of which has one scratching one's head and saying......."hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm".............but that is not the school................like with anything else, the reality check of it all is: it is what the INDIVIDUAL brings to the program, puts into the program and gets out of the program.

I have some staff working for me who are in nursing school right now and are in the "accelerated" programs. One is an LPN who has failed his NCLEX-RN twice. He is not a dumb person at all..........and doesn't have testing anxiety.................in one of our discussions, the concern is that they are pushing students through the program way too fast. Their clinicals are minimal; their patient experience, prior to becoming LPNs through the program, are next to none; and just not time to really allow for what they are being taught to be absorbed. I know two other LPNs, also in an acclerated nursing program (and how they got their LPN), who have also failed their NCLEX-RN a minimum of twice (one over three times). :cry: In, fact, one of my employees stated that in her nursing program (different from the LPN's program but both are accelerated), as a result of so many failed NCLEX-RNs of late, her program is seriously "rethinking" some things within the program for fear of losing their accreditation or something to that affect.

Overall, what I am (have been) seeing/hearing with the contention about EC TOTALLY centers on the clinicals, simply put. For whatever reason, and not taking into account that MOST of EC graduates/students are either practicing LPNs, paramedics, medical corpsmen, et al, "they" are so focused on a student MUST have "clinicals"...............as if by going through clinicals, they are going to have more "experience" than one who actively working in a medical/direct-patient care setting. One RN (a travelling nurse) I had worked with during my first job as an RN, was so danged rude to me, because I was an EC graduate. She was disputing about RN's graduating from EC and EC's program (in the negative), and like so many others who are totally clueless, she was so focused on the "clinicals." Well, just so happened, I had several close friends who were in traditional nursing school in the area, and told me of their "clinicals." Their comments (keeping in mind that they came from different nursing schools throughout the area.....from private college to major teaching/medical university) were the same: their "clinicals" were MOSTLY of just observing and not actually doing much of anything. If they got their experiences, it was because they were actively working as CNAs or EMTs. When I told this fellow RN of this, she yelled out "That is Bull S*%#".......loud enough for the entire unit to hear it. I was humiliated and embarassed to say the least. Talk about nurse-nurse hostility. I did not get cocky nor rude to her when talking to her about EC. I simply and politely,and calmly, stated the facts about EC. It just went along with another "snot-nosed" very young RN, at the same hospital, who said I would have been better off if I was a BSN RN vice an AASN..........I found out, that this BSN RN had major issues when she first started out working as an RN and how much "orienting" they had to do with her. Also, her charting was atrocious to say the least................misinformation, misspellings, et al. As well, that the other nurse (the travelling nurse), they had some major problems with her as well at this hospital, as I was told later on by one of my nursing managers. When I worked at that hospital, I did a good job and got good reviews. I left, because Med/Surg was not my cup of tea:bugeyes:, but yet, I wanted to get more experience before moving on to something I wanted to do down the road. Play the "game."

One day, when I was getting my hair done, a young gal working next to where I was, struck up a conversation with me. When she found out I was an RN, she told me she was once in nursing school. Her story she shared with me was horrifying. She quit, after two years of being into her 4-year program, and it was due to the hostilities from her clinical instructors towards the students. :no: This is not the first time I have heard of the clinical instructors being very hostile towards nursing students. One of the gals, in our scheduling office, told me of her experiences. I was horrified. Another one, now working as an RN, told me of her experiences, as well, with her instructors and how they, as students, were treated. So, somebody please tell me how "traditional" nursing programs are so superior to EC's program? :confused:

On the UP side:lol2:, there have been quite a few other RNs who were in my group in my state and graduated from EC (we formed a study group as if we were in "traditional school"......from almost Day One all through the CPNE). For the most part, we have overcome the stigma of being graduates from EC, to the point that one of the gals, when she was hired on at one of the major hospitals in our city, that she was asked to recruit the rest of us to come and work with the hospital in that the DON was so impressed with the quality of EC graduates she has seen thusfar.

Eventually, and one can only hope, and especially with all these other "on line" and accelerated nursing programs coming into play, that EC will eventually be recognized truly for the outstanding program it truly is, and that it is NOT an easy program at all. We meet the same standards of practice as any other graduate from a "traditional" program to be safe RN's and, as with anything else, we will learn as time goes on, just the same as any other graduate nurse. :nuke:

Sorry for this to be so lengthy:typing, but as an experienced RN and graduate of EC, all I can say is do EC proud and be positive about being a student in EC. :yeah: There thousands of us who have graduated from EC and actively working as RN's. On the other hand, there are many, in the EC nursing program, who have, in turn, not done EC any justice for many reasons, and those are the ones who are the black mark for EC and the rest of us who graduated from EC. :crying2:I will not get into details in that this is not the place to do so, and I am not one who does that. NO program is perfect! Never has and never will be.:no: It is what one, as the nursing student, puts into it and perseveres and gets out of it. :up:

Unfortunately, for the time being, EC is still under "fire" because it does not follow the "traditional" lines.:banghead: It is the same as ANA wanting to do away with the ADN and Diploma programs in favor of the BSN..:banghead:...I am a member of ANA, BTW...............however, we must strive and work together to overcome these "prejudices" and show all these "naysayers" that we are truly very good and experienced medical professionals, and are of quality no different than somebody who graduated from a "traditional" program. We meet the same requirements as the SBNs to sit for the NCLEX-RN and that we ALL take the SAME NCLEX-RN...................PERIOD!!!:wink2:

Whew! I hope what I wrote was some encouragement and hope for all who are students now within EC. Stay away from those tutorial services, and stay right with EC's program (added side line). :down:

Happy holidays to all of you!!!

A fellow RN and EC graduate:nurse:

Sarmedic 70

Specializes in EMS, ED, Trauma, CEN, CPEN, TCRN.

Would you believe I read the whole thing? :D

No, seriously, I'm wondering: does the ANA have anything to say about EC, if anything? Besides the fact that it's not the BSN they want all nurses to have. LOL

I work with a nurse who used to be fond of telling me she'd been a nurse longer than I've been alive. (It's true ... she graduated from a diploma program in the 60s.) She was a bit skeptical of EC's program, but she saw how hard I studied, and she knows how hard I work. She recently gave me a hug at the end of a shift and told me that I was a "great little nurse" (yeah, the height [or lack thereof] always gets thrown in, LOL). She is a tough cookie not always given to praise, so it really touched me. She told me her instructors used to punish them in clinicals if their stainless steel bedpans weren't shiny enough. OMG! Ha ha! Can you imagine?

Specializes in med-surg, post-partum, ER, psychiatric.

He, he, he................that is truly something that you actually read the entire thing. I didn't mean to get on such tangents. But the ole brain got to going, and the fingers became happy fingers on the ole keyboard:typing.........and you know "the rest of the story!" :bugeyes:

That is a great question about what ANA thinks. I haven't a clue, truth be told. I think they would be unwise to make an official statement as an organization about EC unless it be pro. On a slightly different tangent, I remember in studying NC7, and reading info from ANA (and then delving further into it) the "controversy" of ADN/Diploma programs vs BSN. I was appalled to say the least. To do away with the ADN/Diploma programs would not be wise. IMHO And it's not because I opted to do the ADN program first. It's good to be able to have that choice (or those choices) for personal reasons each individual may have. Great for those who have the time and $$ to attend a BSN producing nursing program, but to make a blanket statement that it is the only way to go and the better RNs are those who have the BSN...................I don't think so!!!!! Chuckles!

My Mom used to be a DON, and she said that so many times, the personnel issues she had with the RN's were the BSN's thought themselves above doing some things.......and I hear that even these days from others...........and right out of school wanted managerial positions. She said many times she got called down to the ER to start and IV or some some sort of procedure 'cause the BSN RN there could not do it.

At any rate, I really don't want to cross professional boundaries here in discussing the ADN/Diploma program vs BSN too terribly much. I have seen both good and not so good RNs from all the programs, and same goes with the various nursing programs. All I will say is this: If one wants to eventually get into management or move up to APRN/NP status, then BSN is the way to go. If one is just wanting to remain with patient care, of which is what nursing is all about, truth be told, then the ADN/Diploma program is just as good. It is where patient care starts. In some facilities, there are some phenominal ADN/Diploma program RNs who are fantastic managers. It is an individual choice if one wants to go the ADN/Diplomat route or BSN, and should remain that way! :yeah:

That is really neat about the nurse you work with. :yeah:It is always good to hear and know that there are those out there who are truly professional enough to be open-minded enough to overcome their skepticisms, and especially about EC, and that the RNs who have come from the EC program are no different than any other RN who's graduated from other schools.

Like with anything else that involves biases and prejudices, it takes time to educate people.:D Some people are willing to learn and be open minded enough to really think it through and realize........have truly gotten a "reality check." And there are those, no matter what is presented before them in the way of "proof", will never ever change till they are ready to do so. :bluecry1:

IF EC was such a "below-standard" nursing program then it would not have been in existance for as long as it has been, or it would not have been accredited....much less the awards it has received that so very few other nursing schools have received, sooooooooooooo......hello, duh, here...............it amazes me how some critical key issues have been missed with regards to EC being a viable nursing school. Again, as I mentioned in my previous post, all I keep hearing is "what about your clinicals!?" from those who are "anti" EC (or should I properly state: "uneducated" about EC?) .............and, personally, that my several years of practical direct-patient care as a medic (and I also used to be a nurse's aid), in their "view", is not good enough 'cause it is "not nursing experience." Talk about an insult! As a medic, do we not use critical thinking skills in having to make life or death decisions out in the field?...........and what about the LPNs who are enrolled in EC? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......................

And from what all my Mom shared with me when she was in nursing school, long before the 1960's, it was a different type of schooling back then for sure.........................it was very disciplined to say least.............talk about how much has changed in so many ways since the "good ole days!"........so I am not surprised as to what your co-worker told you about the bedpans (how many student nurses these day even know that there used to be COLD stainless steel bedpans? and had to be cleaned.......compared to the disposable plastic ones now)...........he, he,he.....................Yeup, can you imagine?........he, he,he........:D

Have a grrrrrrreat day

:nurse:

Hi there -

Just commenting on this since I'm interested in doing the EC schooling and I am an LPN. So your saying I wouldnt have to take the 2nd exam. Do you know how many there are? If you went through this , can you give me some advice? Hard classes, easy to navigate with online material? Just curious before I actually go to web site. Thanks so much!

Melisa

SuesquatchRN

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If you are an LPN you will not have to take the second EC exam.

Super job, BBFRN!

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