+PEth in WHPS? with a job?

birdo98, BSN · May 20

Wow! A lot of people have been psychoanalyzing me here! I asked a pretty simple question and ended up even getting my choice of language dissected, such as "snitched" which apparently implies I like to keep secrets! And one person guessed whether or not I celebrated my birthday on accident or planned it!

My support community has been acting as such in this circumstance. Don't you worry! "Reprimanded" as appropriate, "being compassionate" when appropriate, and what have you. It's up to... exactly... nobody here to judge the actions of my sponsor or otherwise. 🙂

This has been an interesting query to introduce to this community, judged by the feedback I've received. I've been granted absolutely 0 helpful information or feedback. I will work with my case manager on the next steps in this scenario.

May I remind you all that your experiences are not necessarily mine. Even down to "2 drinks got me drunk" or "2,000,000 drinks get me drunk".

Healer555 · May 20

Universe93B said:

Eating a banana is the same as taking 1 sip of alcohol. These are calculations and kinetics that we know because of science and research and you should also have basic understanding of since we are all in a science field.

Live a little and don't let monitoring destroy your quality of life.

I stopped eatingfruit. .I have less than a year left..I'll live it up when this is over I promise. I'm going to drink eat and be very merry in less than a year.

SheelaDavis · May 20

birdo98 said:

Wow! A lot of people have been psychoanalyzing me here! I asked a pretty simple question and ended up even getting my choice of language dissected, such as "snitched" which apparently implies I like to keep secrets! And one person guessed whether or not I celebrated my birthday on accident or planned it!

My support community has been acting as such in this circumstance. Don't you worry! "Reprimanded" as appropriate, "being compassionate" when appropriate, and what have you. It's up to... exactly... nobody here to judge the actions of my sponsor or otherwise. 🙂

This has been an interesting query to introduce to this community, judged by the feedback I've received. I've been granted absolutely 0 helpful information or feedback. I will work with my case manager on the next steps in this scenario.

May I remind you all that your experiences are not necessarily mine. Even down to "2 drinks got me drunk" or "2,000,000 drinks get me drunk".

For starters, I wrote that because you used the word "snitch," and that word implies someone is Comfortable with Secrets. Gigantic difference in YOU liking to keep secrets, and someone who is comfortable with secrets. Those two are not the same, and the word snitch is commonly referred to as a "trigger" word in recovery. It doesn't imply that its "bad or evil," but I'm simply stating be careful. It implies EXACTLY what I referred to......a comfortability with secrets. Again, that does not mean that YOU personally are keeping secrets. Re-read the post.

I've been more than helpful with you as well as other people because I have been HONEST with you. Does that word ring a bell in those AA meetings and with your sponsor? Honesty. No lies. Straightforward info. I also commended you for coming clean to your sponsor, yet you chose to leave that part out.

Fact 1. You asked what are your chances of a positive PETH and what happens with your case manager and monitoring program if it's positive. Essentially, THAT is why you came to this forum and essentially this was the premise of your question. Correct? Did you not ask that question in your very first post? Yes, you did. Now, if any human being has one tenth of a brain, what is the next question the reasonable human needs to know to answer your question? Common sense tells us what? It begs the question of........how much did you drink? That actually MATTERS as it directly relates to your question about the Peth, so don't set there and tell the Board they weren't helpful when the Board gave an answer for 2 drinks or less or 2 drinks or more because YOU chose not to share with the Board how much you drink, yet you did ask the question. You got an answer by the way that WAS helpful. The odds of the PETH being positive if you have 3 or 4 or more drinks are pretty high and if you had 2 or less, the odds are fairly low. I think any reasonable human that's objective would say, "that actually is kind of helpful."

2. Members answered what would happen if a positive and what your case manager would do. Do we have a crystal ball? Are we robots or AI or 100% certain for sure? Of course not. No human is. What were you told (that actually is helpful and is the truth)? You were told that its pretty likely you are going to get time added at the minimum and the maximum would be you get time added to the point that you would have to start monitoring time from scratch. Often, the answer could be somewhere in the middle and the fact's are, there is no formula for each state or each monitoring program. Every state, every monitoring program, even every case manager is different.

You got feedback that was very helpful The facts are.....you don't LIKE the feedback. Because you don't like the feedback doesn't mean the feedback isn't helpful. As for you working with your case manager.......Of course you are. You knew that was coming the very minute you tested positive in a PETH test and you have no choice but to work with your case manager, regardless of whether you felt feedback on this board was helpful or not.

Let me tell you the feedback that you were actually looking for in my opinion based on your most recent post..........here's what you WANTED to hear.

"No worries about getting drunk at your Birthday Party, be more careful when you drink as you are an alcoholic, but you will be fine and just be a little more cautious and don't get caught and no worries, your Peth will be negative for sure and oh yea, your sponsor shouldn't have reprimanded you and he or she is a dirtbag and oh yea, in the very, very, very low risk that your Peth is positive, no worries, you can figure out some story to tell your case manager and no worries, they won't do anything, they will just tell you to not do that again. "

The above is what you wanted to hear and what you would have considered "helpful" feedback, but in reality, the above is 100% untruthful and dishonest and people were simply being honest with you. As for your statement about "all of your experiences are not necessarily mine," that's called Fallacy. Stop using it. It's intellectually dishonest and meaningless. Everybody else's experience do NOT need to be yours to make a meaningful conclusion. For example, each person with Stag 4 cancer has a "different experience," but the outcome of stage 4 cancer for the majority of them usually is the same. If I'm Diabetic, I can tell the physician that "My Diabetes is my own experience," and that's great, but the general conclusion the physician can still easily make is......my blood sugar is too high and needs to be lowered.

Similar to alcoholism. Alcoholics can't drink....Period. They literally and physiologically can not drink one sip of alcohol or bad things happens. Every recovery textbook and recovery counselor across planet earth have said so for decades. Same with a positive Peth. Yes, the experience "is yours" <------whatever the he&& that means, but anyway, a general outcome comes for most people in monitoring when they get one........."more monitoring time."

Universe93B · May 20

birdo98 said:

Wow! A lot of people have been psychoanalyzing me here! I asked a pretty simple question and ended up even getting my choice of language dissected, such as "snitched" which apparently implies I like to keep secrets! And one person guessed whether or not I celebrated my birthday on accident or planned it!

My support community has been acting as such in this circumstance. Don't you worry! "Reprimanded" as appropriate, "being compassionate" when appropriate, and what have you. It's up to... exactly... nobody here to judge the actions of my sponsor or otherwise. 🙂

This has been an interesting query to introduce to this community, judged by the feedback I've received. I've been granted absolutely 0 helpful information or feedback. I will work with my case manager on the next steps in this scenario.

May I remind you all that your experiences are not necessarily mine. Even down to "2 drinks got me drunk" or "2,000,000 drinks get me drunk".

You said you were granted "absolutely 0 helpful" information on this thread of yours. You didn't even say how many drinks you had. The test could be negative is what many on here were implying. Usually, admitting to a monitoring program doesn't help with what comes next.

Regardless, how helpful is your case manager of the monitoring agency? They will usually send you to a 4 day evaluation or recommend residential rehab or partial hospitalization for this. And then add more time to monitoring and/or resign another new agreement.

birdo98, BSN · May 20

SheelaDavis said:

As for your statement about "all of your experiences are not necessarily mine," that's called Fallacy. Stop using it. It's intellectually dishonest and meaningless.

You are being incredibly disrespectful and rude here. I am someone in an obviously vulnerable state who reached out to a community who is more informed than I am in this scenario... why be this rude and "holier than thou" about this?

I would ask that you please move on to a different post. Thank you

SheelaDavis · May 21

birdo98 said:

You are being incredibly disrespectful and rude here. I am someone in an obviously vulnerable state who reached out to a community who is more informed than I am in this scenario... why be this rude and "holier than thou" about this?

I would ask that you please move on to a different post. Thank you

I'm not being rude or disrespectful. I'm giving you honest answers. Giving honest answers is the truth, and the truth isn't rude or disrespectful You definitely are in a vulnerable state, but being a vulnerable state doesn't mean you shouldn't hear the truth. Look you ask two questions. The first answer is still the same, if you had 3 or more drinks, your Peth is likely going to be positive. If it's positive, you are going to get more monitoring time, for example, an increase of a year, maybe 2, in some cases, they make you start all over. Nobody is being "holier than though." Again, that is Fallacy. Stop. I would ask that you actually, move on to another post. I'm one of the most raging alcoholics in the United States and drug use past to go with it. I'm not holier than anyone on this planet. It's quite the contrary, but what I do know and what I do have is......recovery. That, I'm grateful for, and knowledge about how the BON and monitoring programs works, that I do have also.

PaddedCellLPN, LPN · May 24

birdo98 said:

You are being incredibly disrespectful and rude here. I am someone in an obviously vulnerable state who reached out to a community who is more informed than I am in this scenario... why be this rude and "holier than thou" about this?

I would ask that you please move on to a different post. Thank you

Wow. I had a relapse and was scared to death, for good reason. Got my head on right, started AA (alcohol isn't my DOC, but I couldn't drink right now and just stop), and told on myself. Did it work out? Yep. Did I learn humility and honesty? yep. You sound like I did after I relapsed. We know because we've done it. We've seen it. We've heard it.

Good luck, hoping for the best for you.