Pain Management Experts Have Caused A Lot Of Addiction

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First I'll define terms. When I say "addict" I'm including everybody who is physically dependent on opioids who isn't a terminal cancer patient. I don't see how physical dependence can exist independently of psychological dependence as one can't be physically dependent on opioids with also having a psychological need for them.

Pain management has become based on the absurd assumption that: "the patient's pain is always what the patient says it is".

In most cases that assumption is probably valid but we know, with certainty, that people will lie in order to obtain pain medications. Pretending that report of pain is an objective finding is absurd.

Much addiction has been caused by the current pain management theories. We've been overmedicating many people for years based on pain management theories. There is an underlying assumption in current pain management that treating complaints of pain with large amounts of medication doesn't really have a downside when the fact is that it has a huge downside......We've got a large population of addicts who didn't have to be addicts.

Let me be clear about how important it is to control pain. I'm not saying that nobody should get opioids. They are extremely beneficial if used properly. "

Without a doubt, Sir William Osler, renowned Canadian physician of the late 1800's, was justified by remarking that morphine was "God's own Medicine
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Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

I am still curious.....are you researching for a paper for school?

The unfortunate consequence of punishing the "habitual abusers" and those who

spends all their waking hours figuring out how to get more pain pills
is putting the burden of these restrictions of those who need relief from chronic debilitating pain comply with elaborate "contracts" and restrictions that cause them hardship. The addict of course will comply with anything for their "fix". While the patient debilitated with crippling pain is tortured.

I fail to see the comparison

Specializes in PACU.

I'm not researching a paper. I've been a PACU Nurse for a long time and I've watched things get progressively worse with respect to the number of patients with major pain control problems (pain control problems in the PACU if not elsewhere).

It's past time to speak the truth about pain control. Many Nurses knew that the pain control theories we know are forced to go in for were going to work out badly and now it's clear that we were right........Don't get me wrong......I'd love to have been wrong about this. I wish that pain control was as simple as the "experts" had said it was.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

I think addiction issues should be outside of the PACU. If they just had surgery the have acute pain...addict or not.

We will have to agree to disagree. I think pain should be addressed and controlled.

Specializes in PACU.
While the patient debilitated with crippling pain is tortured.

It's not that simple. Chronic opioid use makes pain worse in many cases and, consequently, in many cases the medication is a major source of the crippling effect.

"I think addiction issues should be outside of the PACU.

Maybe they should but they aren't in many cases. Chronic pill popping creates problems for the patients in PACU and creates problems with managing them.

I think pain should be addressed and controlled.

I think that too. Controlling postoperative pain in chronic pill takers is, in some cases, impossible.......That's not from not addressing the pain.......It's from the incredible tolerance that some patients have.

People need to know that if they take pills all the time they're going to have a whole lot more postoperative pain than they would otherwise.......Taking lots of pills has a downside......Not because I want it to.....I don't want that.....The fact is that it has a downside.

Specializes in Medical Surgical.

I just went to a PTSD meeting and the speaker was saying that the VA hands out bottles of pills by the bag monthly. I can totally see where this person is coming from. I am only a nursing student but this is a huge issue that I believe needs to be addressed. I recently went to the hospital with bursitis of the knee from a car crash with 3/10 pain and was prescribed a bottle of Vicodin. I seriously don't think that was necessary.

Physical dependence can't realistically be separated from psychological dependence which is why I use the term "addiction". I don't mind using other terms but I do mind pretending that physical dependence on legally prescribed opioids isn't a huge problem. Using the word "dependence" for someone who spends all their waking hours figuring out how to get more pain pills doesn't get at the magnitude of their problem.

We know, with absolute certainty, that people will lie about pain in order to receive pain medication. We therefore know, with certainty, that the patients pain isn't always what they say it is.

I've had patients tell me that they are going to say that there pain is a 10 in order to get more pain medication. The pain experts are quite wrong about this.

I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are saying. I doubt that the "experts" in pain management aren't fully aware that some individuals might lie or exaggerate in order to obtain pain medication due to the fact that they are addicted.

To me that doesn't change the fact that "pain is what the patient reports.

What would be the alternative? Pain is what the nurse thinks it is? Now that would indeed be absurd.

We have no reliable objective way to measure pain. Asking a patient to rate their pain might not be a perfect method but as far as I can tell, there is no better method available to us as nurses that ensures that patients get the pain relief they need and deserve.

Specializes in Pain, critical care, administration, med.

As a RN and now NP who specialty is pain management for more than10 years I find your comments are made without sufficient knowledge of patients in pain. I see your views as your own personal opinion rather than based on fact. I would suggest rather than using just observation you back it up with facts.

Specializes in Emergency & Trauma/Adult ICU.

We could all argue the terminology, semantics and logistics for the next century ... but I agree with the OP. "Pain is what the patient says it is" is a failure as an approach to acute patient care, as is the ioditic use of self-reported numerical scales and prescribing protocols which pre-suppose and reinforce that the goal is "no pain".

Specializes in PACU.
I doubt that the "experts" in pain management aren't fully aware that some individuals might lie or exaggerate in order to obtain pain medication due to the fact that they are addicted.

If the experts were aware that people lie about pain they wouldn't assert that the "patients pain is always what they say it is". All it takes is one exception to disprove a statement like that.

"To me that doesn't change the fact that "pain is what the patient reports.

Of course it does. Some people lie about their pain which means that the patients pain is always what they say it is.

What would be the alternative?

A realistic approach. When someone who is just shy of a Dilaudid coma appears extremely comfortable and reports a pain of 10 that shouldn't be considered a pain emergency.

We have no reliable objective way to measure pain.

That's true. That doesn't mean we should use a false assumption (the patients pain is always what they say it is) as the basis for all pain control.

Specializes in PACU.
" I find your comments are made without sufficient knowledge of patients in pain.

I request that you support or retract that accusation. What have I said that is untrue?

I see your views as your own personal opinion rather than based on fact.

My views are completely based on fact. The fact is that the patients pain isn't always what they say it is. The fact is that there are far too many pill poppers who are being harmed by the pills.

I would suggest rather than using just observation you back it up with facts.

I request that you back up your accusations with facts.......All you've done is post unsupported accusations against me. My posts are full of facts.

Hi- this topic caught my interest...

People who are truely psychologically addicted to mood and mind altering substances and who haven't dealt with that psychological component likely will be manipulative and do anything they can to get an easy high while resting in the hospital. Some may not be in as much pain as they say- but remember this population is very "efficient", and not very tolerant of discomfort or the word "no". If in pain, why be in 3/10 pain if you can be in 0/10 pain and sleep? I really don't think we are creating new addicts- if they're not going to use pills they'll use alcohol, etc... whatever's around- until that psychological component is dealt with.

That being said, and having worked on an ortho medsurg floor, drug seeking patients are the minority, and shouldn't affect how we treat the pain of non-addicts. A non-addict will take the 2 percocet round the clock, start feeling better, and wean themselves off as it's meant to be.

I used to spend time wondering how we could prevent these drug seeking patients from abusing the medical system, but weeding them out just comes at too high a cost to patient who need good strong pain meds.

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