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I am thinking of doing my FNP at Rutgers I live in NJ. Any recommendations for programs in my state or online programs?

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I can appreciate that!:yeah: got my MSN online now .. yes I could not agree with you more and I know I wrote more papers than most of my friends going to traditional schools..people critical of things they don't fully understand..

I took 7 graduate hours online and transferred them to another program which had "block" times on campus. I obtained a post-graduate certification from another program and it was a "brick and mortar" school. Both of the schools I attended are ranked in the top 20 NP programs in the nation, so I think I know what I'm talking about. One of the schools I attended considered going partially online, but decided against it specifically because they think it will adversely affect their program.

Does anyone know of any medical schools or PA schools that are 100% online? Also, when I graduated 4 years ago, there were some states that weren't accepting online NP education. Does anyone know if this is still the case?

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Both of the schools I attended are ranked in the top 20 NP programs in the nation, so I think I know what I'm talking about.

Both of the ones I've attended online are ranked in the top 10 (UAB) and top 5 (Rush). As a person with an MBA I'll say that going into most classrooms is very inefficent from many standpoints. As an ex professor in both ADN and BSN programs and someone who knows about education, I'll again say the same...unless you're a person that has to be spoonfeed.

And please show me an NP program that is 100% online.

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Specializes in ER; CCT.
Disturbing and repugnant? Those are strange words to describe a comment made regarding online nursing programs (?).

So, your preceptor had 10 students precept with him/her during a 25 year period and you are the only one who passed? Are you stating that it's because they were from brick and mortar schools?

I'm certainly not the only one who has denounced 100% online programs and I won't be the last. I know docs, NP's & PA's who feel the exact same way I do.

I'm sorry, I should have elaborated. Your comments are repugnant in the sense they arouse disgust, aversion, and are offensive to me, and probably others who are consumers of distance education. Your generalization that distance ed programs produce inferior nurse practitioners is without merit and lacks any form of credible evidence, your blanket discrimination against those of us who have chosen this path notwithstanding.

Disturbing in the sense that your comments wrongfully cast aspersions on a proven and legitimate manner in which to obtain quality education. Many, in the absence of this mechanism would not be able to obtain their life dream. Disturbing and repugnant in the sense that you fail to mention that crappy practitioners come out of brick and mortar schools, too, which leaves the impression that all program graduates of a brick and mortar program are some how superior to those of us who have chosen alternative pathways. You fail to mention the overriding deal with any form of education: you get out of it only what you put into it, regardless of which mechanism is chosen.

Perhaps you should forward your comments to Johns Hopkins and Duke University, both of which have distance graduate nursing programs and let them know how you feel. I'm confident with your anecdotes coupled with these docs and pa's you know, they will discontinue their program immediately.

I am glad, however, that the OP is getting an idea of the disgusting and unequivocal discrimination, without merit or any form of evidence, that exists in the real world against those of us who chose distance education.

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I'm sorry, I should have elaborated. Your comments are repugnant in the sense they arouse disgust, aversion, and are offensive to me, and probably others who are consumers of distance education. Your generalization that distance ed programs produce inferior nurse practitioners is without merit and lacks any form of credible evidence, your blanket discrimination against those of us who have chosen this path notwithstanding.

Disturbing in the sense that your comments wrongfully cast aspersions on a proven and legitimate manner in which to obtain quality education. Many, in the absence of this mechanism would not be able to obtain their life dream. Disturbing and repugnant in the sense that you fail to mention that crappy practitioners come out of brick and mortar schools, too, which leaves the impression that all program graduates of a brick and mortar program are some how superior to those of us who have chosen alternative pathways. You fail to mention the overriding deal with any form of education: you get out of it only what you put into it, regardless of which mechanism is chosen.

Perhaps you should forward your comments to Johns Hopkins and Duke University, both of which have distance graduate nursing programs and let them know how you feel. I'm confident with your anecdotes coupled with these docs and pa's you know, they will discontinue their program immediately.

I am glad, however, that the OP is getting an idea of the disgusting and unequivocal discrimination, without merit or any form of evidence, that exists in the real world against those of us who chose distance education.

I can tell from your comments that this is an extremely touchy subject for you. Obviously, I'm not the only one you've encountered who thinks 100% online education isn't what you've envisioned it to be. I want to see all those studies that show that 100% online NP programs are equivalent to or better than the more traditional NP programs. Considering that this is a relatively new form of education, I doubt that any long term studies even exist, so it remains to be seen. Do you know of any PA programs or medical schools that are 100% online?

Furthermore, two physicians I know refuse to precept any more students from our local online program due to the fact that their students are not prepared for clinicals. I spoke with a couple of their former students and they both said they did not get ANY "hands on" time with their faculty. Neither of them had even held an otoscope before, much less performed a pelvic or prostate exam. We had to get checked off on all of those skills before we were able to start working with preceptors. I remember one of our professors said, "We don't want you to be embarrassed and we certainly don't want you to embarrass our school."

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I'm sorry, I should have elaborated. Your comments are repugnant in the sense they arouse disgust, aversion, and are offensive to me, and probably others who are consumers of distance education. Your generalization that distance ed programs produce inferior nurse practitioners is without merit and lacks any form of credible evidence, your blanket discrimination against those of us who have chosen this path notwithstanding.

Disturbing in the sense that your comments wrongfully cast aspersions on a proven and legitimate manner in which to obtain quality education. Many, in the absence of this mechanism would not be able to obtain their life dream. Disturbing and repugnant in the sense that you fail to mention that crappy practitioners come out of brick and mortar schools, too, which leaves the impression that all program graduates of a brick and mortar program are some how superior to those of us who have chosen alternative pathways. You fail to mention the overriding deal with any form of education: you get out of it only what you put into it, regardless of which mechanism is chosen.

Perhaps you should forward your comments to Johns Hopkins and Duke University, both of which have distance graduate nursing programs and let them know how you feel. I'm confident with your anecdotes coupled with these docs and pa's you know, they will discontinue their program immediately.

I am glad, however, that the OP is getting an idea of the disgusting and unequivocal discrimination, without merit or any form of evidence, that exists in the real world against those of us who chose distance education.

I'm not opposed to 100% online programs for other degrees, as long as their exams are proctored. However, I'm opposed to 100% online NP programs. I can certainly see how a business degree or computer science degree can be done online.

I did a quick search and found the link below with some interesting information on this very subject. I'm not able to open the full document, but I read the abstract and it confirms what I've heard from others.

The doctors in my area are amazed that NP programs can actually be done online...this isn't a good thing. Please give me the name of a PA program or medical school that is online. Just because you chose a 100% online program doesn't mean that everyone is going to accept it.

http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/1/3/2/6/p113264_index.html

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Perhaps you should forward your comments to Johns Hopkins and Duke University, both of which have distance graduate nursing programs and let them know how you feel. I'm confident with your anecdotes coupled with these docs and pa's you know, they will discontinue their program immediately.

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Tammy,

I copied the information below off the Duke University School of Nursing website (link at bottom of post). A student is only allowed to participate in their online NP programs if they already have a Master's degree! Not only that, but they require the clinical hours to be done in North Carolina or (occasionally) a surrounding state. This isn't exactly a 100% online NP program!

Distance Based and Online Nursing Programs

Duke University School of Nursing was one of the first schools of nursing to offer online programs that award masters degrees or post masters' certificates for nurses who already hold a masters degree. In addition to the master's specialty programs, Duke's DNP program has been designed to accommodate distance-based learners, as well as, working advanced practice nurses.

Courses that are delivered either on-line or distance-based are defined as:

  • Distance-based: Majority of content is delivered via distance technology. Students come to campus once or twice during the semester. The distance format is typical of specialty courses.
  • Online: Students do not come to campus. All MSN core courses are offered online at least one semester per year.

Students interested in any of our online nurse practitioner programs should expect to complete their clinical experiences within the Duke Health System or at a site in North Carolina. Occasionally, it may be possible to arrange an out of state clinical experience and residency, particularly in states surrounding North Carolina. These placements depend upon preceptor availability, appropriate licensure, and clinical site contracts and Specialty Director approval. Specialty Directors admitting out-of-state students are responsible for oversight of out-of-state clinical experiences and for coordinating student site visits.

http://nursing.duke.edu/modules/son_academic/index.php?id=127

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Specializes in CTICU.
ANPFNPGNP, there is no such thing as a 100% online NP program. Period. The didactic content may be delivered online, but they all have clinical requirement which (obviously) are delivered traditionally. I think everyone is quite clear on your opinion on distance education, no need to hammer the dead horse.
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I can tell from your comments that this is an extremely touchy subject for you. Obviously, I'm not the only one you've encountered who thinks 100% online education isn't what you've envisioned it to be. I want to see all those studies that show that 100% online NP programs are equivalent to or better than the more traditional NP programs. Considering that this is a relatively new form of education, I doubt that any long term studies even exist, so it remains to be seen. Do you know of any PA programs or medical schools that are 100% online?

It might be "touchy" because there are many who realize the benefits of distance education and apparently you have not availed yourself of the opportunity to educate yourself on the subject.

Studies...there are hundreds if not many more. You can be sure the educational establishments have spent a lot of time on this subject. Just to get you started, you can visit http://www.uiweb.uidaho.edu/eo/dist9.html. There is also The American Journal of Distance Education. The fact that there is no PA or medical schools that offer distance education (is that a fact?) just shows how far behind they are and how entrenched they are in their outdated modes of education. I've also heard medical students say that their professors video tape their lectures so students can view them any time, so they just skip class and watch the videos later.

Furthermore, two physicians I know refuse to precept any more students from our local online program due to the fact that their students are not prepared for clinicals. I spoke with a couple of their former students and they both said they did not get ANY "hands on" time with their faculty. Neither of them had even held an otoscope before, much less performed a pelvic or prostate exam. We had to get checked off on all of those skills before we were able to start working with preceptors. I remember one of our professors said, "We don't want you to be embarrassed and we certainly don't want you to embarrass our school."

This is also true of any program and I've got plenty of stories about students from "brick and mortar" programs. I've seen physicians who can't perform many techniques. I've even taught them! All you can say about your local program is that your local program is no good. You can't generalize to other programs.

You also keep mentioning "100% online." This implies there is no clinical and I know that's not true. However, I'll bet a person could do 100 different online "cases" much faster than the time it actually takes to see 100 different patients and come out much better prepared for the next 100 live patients.

I would hope in the future you would do a little research before trying to offer "expert" advice.

And, just for the record, our entire educational system (for the most part) from preschool on up needs overhauling.

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ANPFNPGNP, there is no such thing as a 100% online NP program. Period. The didactic content may be delivered online, but they all have clinical requirement which (obviously) are delivered traditionally. I think everyone is quite clear on your opinion on distance education, no need to hammer the dead horse.

Well it needs to be hammered until everyone is brought up to speed on education, logic, and economics, IMO. As a fan of online education, I've been taught to research things, which prepares one to be an effective practitioner.

Anyone want to talk about how "science" can be so wrong? :smokin:

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I can tell from your comments that this is an extremely touchy subject for you. Obviously, I'm not the only one you've encountered who thinks 100% online education isn't what you've envisioned it to be. I want to see all those studies that show that 100% online NP programs are equivalent to or better than the more traditional NP programs. Considering that this is a relatively new form of education, I doubt that any long term studies even exist, so it remains to be seen. Do you know of any PA programs or medical schools that are 100% online?

Furthermore, two physicians I know refuse to precept any more students from our local online program due to the fact that their students are not prepared for clinicals. I spoke with a couple of their former students and they both said they did not get ANY "hands on" time with their faculty. Neither of them had even held an otoscope before, much less performed a pelvic or prostate exam. We had to get checked off on all of those skills before we were able to start working with preceptors. I remember one of our professors said, "We don't want you to be embarrassed and we certainly don't want you to embarrass our school."

Touchy? Perhaps. Bottom line, is there will always be people who are uninformed, truly too insecure with themselves and must discriminate against others for no good reason; infer generalizations not based on fact or evidence and generally go out of their way to be nasty to others to bolster there own position.

Although the PM's scream "don't feed the troll" I feel obliged to point out a couple of issues. First there is no legitimate evidence to suggest there is any difference in the quality of education between distance education and traditional forms of education. You know this, which is why it burns you that schools like mine are completely booked up for the next five years with students. It must be devastating for you to strongly believe in such a discriminatory position where no evidence exists. It must really fry you to learn that distance education is now occurring almost exclusively with brick and mortar institutions. Moreover, it must really irritate you that two top nursing schools in the country (Johns Hopkins and Duke University) are now providing distance education for their graduate programs.

Second, there is an appreciable phenomenon within nursing that parallels the construct of horizontal violence incorporating elements of overt discrimination. The OP and others need to be aware that just like women, African Americans, men in nursing, those living with HIV and every other minority in our country have been discriminated against, so are consumers of distance education. Those of us who are in the minority, must be on the look out for this type of overt discrimination and prepare to use the legal process to hold bigots accountable for their actions. I can't wait for litigation to follow who holds those accountable for discriminatory practices based on where or how someone graduated from school. I can't wait to hear the arguments that explain or attempt to excuse bigotry and discrimination, "Well they graduated from an online school and all online graduates don't know what they are doing based on my experience and these two docs and pa's sitting behind me...where did they go?"

I must say, not often will someone take the position of being a champion of bigotry and discrimination. But then again, not so long ago, similar arguments were made that women were not smart enough to vote and African Americans had smaller cranial capacity and therefore were inferior to whites.

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I must say, not often will someone take the position of being a champion of bigotry and discrimination. But then again, not so long ago, similar arguments were made that women were not smart enough to vote and African Americans had smaller cranial capacity and therefore were inferior to whites.

LOL! :lol2: Are you kidding me?? I'm sitting here reading this and I'm about to fall out of my chair! You're actually comparing people who discriminate based on race and gender to people who "discriminate" against online programs? Based on this logic, businesses should now be sued if they prefer to hire Ivy League graduates instead of grads of state schools! ARE YOU KIDDING???

BTW, an ED doctor is sitting next to me reading this and he's laughing his head off too!

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Specializes in CTICU.

Tammy, come on. What have you been smoking? Comparing prejudice against online education consumers to that against african americans? Puhleese!

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