i didn't know this actually happened - page 7

Had a patient who called 911 for her water breaking at full term. I mentioned it to another nurse who was like "and why are you surprised by that?" i didn't know people actually did that.... Read More

  1. by   RainDreamer
    Quote from Miss_Chybil
    And how do you know the people who come to the hospital aren't in the same boat you were in when you had to use WIC?
    When they ARE ungrateful! Some patients do and say things and act in a way that is very ungrateful. I think that's what people are venting about. Like the woman that comes in, having her 9th baby, is on full public assistance, and expects you to wait on her hand and foot and is rude. She's not grateful, she thinks this is owed to her.

    That's what people are venting about ..... not the people that are grateful.
    Last edit by RainDreamer on Oct 24, '06
  2. by   33-weeker
    Quote from raindreamer
    when they are ungrateful! some patients do and say things and act in a way that is very ungrateful. i think that's what people are venting about. like the woman that comes in, having her 9th baby, is on full public assistance, and expects you to wait on her hand and foot and is rude. she's not grateful, she thinks this is owed to her.

    that's what people are venting about ..... not the people that are grateful.
    thank you. nicely put.

    i think chybil is either not a nurse, or does not deal with many folks on public assitance where she works. if she was or did, she'd understand the need to vent and not take it so personally. perhaps some of these threads need to be restricted to nurses only.

    it's not the fact that people are simply on public assistance that bugs me. i know that there are those who need it and don't abuse it. it's the one's who never bother to get prenatal care, who call 911 when there is clearly no emergency, who loot the crib bare every chance they get, who rudely treat me like their personal servant and not the skilled nurse i am, who gripe when they don't get a private room like it's something to which they are entitled, and who have the attitude that they are owed a free ride instead of being grateful for the care and free services available to them. those are the ones i'm venting about.
  3. by   Miss Chybil RN
    Quote from RainDreamer
    When they ARE ungrateful! Some patients do and say things and act in a way that is very ungrateful. I think that's what people are venting about. Like the woman that comes in, having her 9th baby, is on full public assistance, and expects you to wait on her hand and foot and is rude. She's not grateful, she thinks this is owed to her.

    That's what people are venting about ..... not the people that are grateful.
    One question... If the lady above was having her ninth baby and had a ton of money in the bank and acted like a "B" would you need to vent about her because of her financial situation? Think about the answer, because I've seen plenty of threads on here with people venting about rich patients wanting people to wait on them hand and foot. You think they'd be grateful for having so much. Maybe, it's not the insurance policy, or lack thereof, that's the problem.

    Some people are rude. Some rich people are rude. Some poor people are rude. Some people just get defensive when they feel they're being judged. And maybe, some people get a little too distracted from their jobs by their patients' personal lives.

    I'll be done with this thread now.
  4. by   33-weeker
    Quote from miss_chybil
    i'll be done with this thread now.
    that's probably for the best, because you are taking this way too personally. it was meant as a venue from which to vent, not as a personal attack.
  5. by   RainDreamer
    Quote from Miss_Chybil
    One question... If the lady above was having her ninth baby and had a ton of money in the bank and acted like a "B" would you need to vent about her because of her financial situation? Think about the answer, because I've seen plenty of threads on here with people venting about rich patients wanting people to wait on them hand and foot. You think they'd be grateful for having so much. Maybe, it's not the insurance policy, or lack thereof, that's the problem.

    Some people are rude. Some rich people are rude. Some poor people are rude. Some people just get defensive when they feel they're being judged. And maybe, some people get a little too distracted from their jobs by their patients' personal lives.

    I'll be done with this thread now.
    I haven't vented about anyone's financial situation. I'd vent because she's an ungrateful witch, lol.

    Ungrateful rich patients? Can't stand 'em, that's why I worked at the county hospital. Most of those patients were VERY grateful and I loved that patient population.
  6. by   33-weeker
    i've taken care of people who were poor & rich. i've taken care of rich people who treated their baby like a fashion accessory and the nurses like waitresses & maids. i've taken care of people who had another baby just for the checks that come with it, and couldn't have cared less about the child. either way, its about their attitude. i don't care about their wallets, but i do care how they treat their babies and, to an extent, how they treat the staff.

    it's attitude and abuse of care we're venting about in this thread, not money. it just happens that abuse of care (such as uneccessary ambulance rides - which is where this thread started anyway) is more common within the medicaid crowd - probably because they aren't held responsible for the bill.

    maybe the reason this topic is so irritating to me is that we were forced to file bankruptcy last year over medical expenses. i have dovoted the better part of the last 16 years to serving the public as a nurse. forgive me if abuse of medical care is a hot button for me.
  7. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Let's just remember, unless we are in another person's shoes, we have no true idea what he/she is going through and what the situation really is. I know we all get sick of seeing what appear to be obvious abuses of the health care system (I am included). But I would like to see this thread remain a "venting" to "get it off my chest" thing without resorting to volleying attacks at each other in the process. I think we can all do that, with a bit of effort.

    And as always, if a thread offends you, you have the option to bypass or ignore it. Same goes with specific posters. There is an ignore poster function on allnurses.com if you feel one particular poster offends you too much. Great features to "keep the peace" abound here.
  8. by   valifay
    I think you need to consider her situation before you call it a wasted call. You don't know her story...maybe she had a fast delivery with another child, or had been in labor for awhile, or had noone available to drive her. Or she could have had a condition in which her doctor advised her to do so. You never kow. I know some people will call 911 for little things that aren't emergencies, but a new mother may think her water breaking is an emergency...you never know. JMO...
  9. by   eden
    I am a nurse and do have many a woman on social assistance as patients and I think that anyone( regardless of financial status) may not know what is an emergency. You do not know, in their heads whther they thought it was an emergency or not. It may not have been an emergency but if they are uneducated then it is our job to educate them.

    I understand why those on social assistance would loot the crib. It's hardly like they are living high on the hog. My friend is disabled and as a single person she gets $400.00/month for rent,food and all other expenses and it's not much more for someone with a child. Social assistance gives very little money and while I don't think they should raid the crib, I DO understand why they do it.

    I get treated worse by those who are well off finacially because they think they can buy whatever regardless of need. We had a patient whose baby was required to stay 7 days. They went to the hospital president and bought the room for the week despite the fact that our maximum stay is 48 hours, we do not have insurance so rooms cannot be bought and we took up a room for a week, never mind that we had to discharge people early because we needed the bed she was taking up. Now that is abuse of the system
    Last edit by eden on Mar 10, '07
  10. by   33-weeker
    the reason the raiding of the crib bothers me is that so many of these women are unemployed (it's on their facesheet) and breastmilk is not only free, but better for baby. they are not working - they could breastfeed. wic provides consultants, pumps, etc.

    and, they do it in such an unerhanded way - thinking we don't notice - even calling until different nurses pick up to ask for more and more.
    newborn diapers don't fit for that long either - why stock up on those?
    we give them a gift pack at discharge, and will give them a little extra box or two of formula if the weather is really bad, their baby is on special formula, or they have some other legit reason to need extra. i'd rather somone just come out and say they are in need.

    but even in that case - we have a wic program that will give them formula for free, if they will just get off their bums & make the appointment and go. they can get it started before the baby comes. often times the reason is laziness. we see a lot of moms who qualify for medicaid, but don't bother to go sign up. then they will even turn around and give that as a reason for not getting prenatal care!
  11. by   33-weeker
    Quote from eden
    i understand why those on social assistance would loot the crib. it's hardly like they are living high on the hog. my friend is disabled and as a single person she gets $400.00/month for rent,food and all other expenses and it's not much more for someone with a child. social assistance gives very little money and while i don't think they should raid the crib, i do understand why they do it.
    true for the honest people who are reporting all the household income, but many have learned to cheat the system and do so without any moral reservation.
  12. by   Mrs.S
    Quote from 33-weeker
    true for the honest people who are reporting all the household income, but many have learned to cheat the system and do so without any moral reservation.
    just curious, where are you getting these ideas?
  13. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Like I said, we have no idea what is in another person's heart and why they do the things they do. I don't think people who "steal" the crib contents or food do so necessarily without moral reservation. I do think some are desperately needy. Others may feel they are entitled to it, as they know they are billed for it (even if they are on the "system", in their minds, it's been paid for and would maybe go to waste if not taken). I mean, I don't kow the myriad reasons people do what they do. But I think if they are THAT needy, then maybe I should just feel glad that I am not! I try really hard to withhold harsh judgement in these cases. I Have been close, when my son was a baby. We literally lived paycheck to paycheck and there were tough times. And yet, even then, I was doing well by many standards. I had plenty to eat, a decent little house to live in and stable income as we were military.

    I can't say I know without a doubt people don't feel bad when they take things they can like formula and food. There is a sense of entitlement that is rather pervasive in our society today----but I see this pervading all economic levels---even well-off people who feel some "need" to get any "freebie" they possibly can. Like I said, they probably feel entitled somewhat do to the belief they will be billed anyhow---or that it's meant to be taken, unless told otherwise.

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