That spelled badly, contravesial thread about NA's... - page 5
Hmmmm, thinking hat on now... Factoids (being poorly contructed facts) -Nursing = what nurses do = The provision of care -Care requirements have difrent componencts (say IVI's and bed... Read More
Jan 31, '03Ayemmeff;
I do not mean to sound so gruff, and no, this world could not get along with RN's.
I do appologise for commenting on how you treat your staff, because you are right . . . I don't know. I'm different at work than I am on these threads, I'm much more quiet in person. I don't know you, and I don't know what it is like working with you. It might be very nice working with you!
I was just making some statements on how I felt. Now If we could just stop fighting! Nurses and CNA's should work as a team. We are all in this together!!!
Jan 31, '03Originally posted by l.rae
very well stated......we are forced to work more and more shifts w/o NA too....makes me appreciate them all the more....however, NA's who have a problem with RN's that are too busy (there are some lazy in ALL job roles I know, but,) to help them everytime they ask...they need to get out of the field..it is only going to get worse bfore it gets better...IF it gets better...RN's are busier, fewer. pt's are sicker and more numerous.......just the way it is
I do agree that there are lazy NA's, I work with a few, but I refuse to be one!
Jan 31, '03Originally posted by FutureRN_Mandi
[B]Ayemmeff;I do appologise for commenting on how you treat your staff, because you are right . . . I don't know.
Feb 2, '03Originally posted by FutureRN_Mandi
Ayemmef, dear one, I think you are jumping to conclusions. i understand that starting IV's and pushing meds is part of your job. I'm going to say this as nice as I can. What would your job be like without CNA's? Huh? Think about it. in adition to all the nursley stuff, you would have to give showers, you would have to put patients to bed, get them up, do their vitals, feed them . . . and oh!! God forbid! Answering call lights! Aides do so much for nurses, and SOME nurses NOT ALL OF THEM, won't even answer a call light to help her aide who is maybe busying herself with another call light!
Some people may be different in person than they are on the boared. I am being non-judgmental here, and approaching this thread with an open mind. I am just simply saying that as much as aides help you out, you could help them from time to time.
I feel that a good nurse takes care of things, whether really basic, or complex, even if that does mean changing a bed pan. Oh puhlease! I think some nurses are like scared of poop, like it might eat them alive or something!
Do not judge until you've walked a mile in an RN/LPN's shoes. You are a CNA and the aforementioned duties are yours to perform. I only wish that we had more than one CNA for 90 patients. I give baths, showers, clean poop/urine, empty cath bags and CLEAN THE DAMN ROOMS b/c we don't have other staff to do it. This is on top of all of the other duties we have and carrying a patient load of 6-10 people.
As MANY others have said before me, you are a KID and have a lot of growing up to do. You have no clue as to the responsibilities of a nurse. When you hit the real world maybe you will regret the stand you have taken.
Feb 2, '03I am an RN. It pizzez me off when I see another nurse walk 100 ft hunting down a tech(cna) to tell them the soinso needs to be put on the bedpan. If I am in the room and a pt needs something I do it. There is nothing more demeaning to a tech than to hunt her down because a pt needs something simple like a blanket. Luckily we have a call light system where an operator answers the call lights. She then pages either the nurse or tech depending on the need. The pager reads out exactly what the pt needs (pain med room 4303). This saves time. the call lights are answered much faster and if you ignore the page,it pages you again. Cuts down on slackers both nurse and tech.
Feb 2, '03FutureRN_Mandi said, "Think about it. in adition to all the nursley stuff, you would have to give showers, you would have to put patients to bed, get them up, do their vitals, feed them . . . and oh!! God forbid! Answering call lights!"
What the bloody hell do you think we do all day?
I know Mandi and Ayemmeff have been battling it out and made it up - I read it all. You've really annoyed me with your comments, Mandi, and I'm upset that you even think like you do. You say you're different in person and at work - that's not necessarily a good thing, since it sounds like your opinions are eating you up inside and making you bitter.
You say you refuse to be a lazy NA - I refuse to be one of those RNs who dodge the hard stuff. If a commode is needed, I'll get it even if I'm busy - that's important. If that commode needs to be taken away and I'm busy, that's less important and it can either wait a few minutes, or I may ask someone to get it for me. I will quite gladly do the same for anyone in that situation, RN or NA.
My favourite thing on a morning shift is making beds. If we have more than one RN on a morning shift, I am always the first to volunteer to 'do the backs' with the Auxilliaries - washing and feeding patients, showers, making beds etc. We have fantastic auxilliaries who understand that sometimes the RNs will need to abandon what they are doing to see to patients who need nursing care. They know we appreciate them because we tell them, and show them by giving them as much slack as we can when it's busy (longer breaks than ourselves, home early if there's nothing more they can do on a shift etc). We're a team and we work together for the benefit of the patients.
Oh, and to those who were debating the definition of nursing and wondering who answers when a patient calls? In our hospital the patients call "Staff" - as in Staff Nurse. Whoever needs help enough to be calling out gets answered by whoever is nearest, we're not especially fussy about rank if someone is on the floor in a puddle of urine.Last edit by frannybee on Feb 2, '03
Feb 2, '03Well said Franny. The reason Mandi is so uneducated about the roles of a nurse is that she is 16...'nuf said.
It really pizzed me off when she that she doesn't ask an RN for help but when she does and they don't help it makes her mad. Um, obviously there are some issues there. Not everyone is required to help you b/c you ask for it. Maybe there was a crisis....maybe there are 10 pt that need meds and it's already 0830.
Feb 2, '03After reading this thread and all the replies...
At first, I thought Mandi was an intelligent, ethical, hard-working person. Now...
I think she is very young, very immature, and had absolutely no idea what it is that nurses do, what they are responible for, the pressures they face, etc.
If she decides to become a nurse, she will have a VERY BIG eye opening experience.
That is one of the main reasons that new grad RNs are leaving nursing sooner and in greater numbers than ever before...when they truly see the reality of nursing, they are overwhelmed, experience "Nursing Reality Shock", (a well-documented nursing phenomenon) and many of them get out of nursing, as soon as possible.
I do not feel that anything we tell her will change her perceptions. She (any many other CNAs) will just have to find out on their own, THE HARD WAY.
Feb 2, '03In the old days, when I was a nursing assistant, one simply showed up, was hired and learned on the job.....
Feb 2, '03There's probably a good reason why the nurse refuses to help...she has her own work to do.
Sigh...you can't have a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed.
Mandi...you have a world of growing up to do. If it doesn't happen soon, you will not have a prayer of even getting into a nursing program, let alone completing one. If you find working as a CNA so difficult, then maybe you need to think about a different career.
Most of us here have been aides; you have not been a nurse. You have no clue what it is like, and that's OK...I had a lot to learn when I went to school. But what I didn't do was judge other nurses, and criticize how they did their job. It is not your place to do so. It absolutely infuriates me when I see someone like you behaving in this manner, so superior, so sure of how the job is supposed to be done. Tell me, you are able to make that judgement based on WHAT??
Before you are so quick to rush to judgement, make sure you know what the heck you are talking about. If you carry on like that in nursing school, I can guarantee you that you will not last the semester.
Feb 3, '03Originally posted by fab4fan
Sigh...you can't have a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed.
Feb 6, '03been on clinical placements where registered nurses seem to believe that everything below drug administration can be left to 'untrained' staff (now named support assistants and not 'nursing auxilliaries'), where SA's jump in regimented style opening all the windows in december to 'get some air', gettting everyone out in chairs in the morning 'because they've got their beds to do' and see the whole day as a series of ticks to cross off as job done, doing clinical observations with no idea of what's to be reported or what's not, whipping pressure relieving mattresses off beds because 'they're costing the ward' without a glance at a care plan and have been horrified to hear patients refer to these people as nurse.
I have also been on placements where SA's perform tasks way above and beyond those for which they are paid, spending time with patients performing clinical skills, developing themselves through NVQ training and gaining very little in reward, where the most that is seen from the RN is a jot in the nursing evaluation reading 'all cares given'............Just what does that mean??
Each ward I have been on has a philosophy of care, they also have a ward manager, the ward manager is responsible for the staff and the 'care' given by their staff...the roles and responsibilities should be set out and adhered to, if SA's are failing patients then it is up to the ward manager to sort these issues out..As for calling them nurses, well what is a nurse? what is nursing? It is not just a qualification or a title it is a thing that people do, all people at some time or other. To call oneself a registered nurse though requires the person to be on the register.
BritishStudent, well, what can I say?, I hope you lose the attitude on qualification, team working, remember that? each has a role to play. Your responsibility will be the welfare of your patients whoever delivers the 'care'! Your documentation must be able to withstand scrutiny (making sense to yourself is not enough!) and you must practise as part of a healthcare delivery team........