Nursing is pathetic... - page 9
It's to bad you feel this way I work in the E.R.and am constantly exposed to hiv, hepatitis,and a host of other diseases you can protect yourself. Why did you really go into nursing ws it for the... Read More
May 14, '00Hey Anonymous RN!
WOW!!!! I shouldn't complain about my workload! Yours sounds insane
so many patients...
so little time.....
May 15, '00This is simply amazing. I have been watching this thread for quite some time now. Nobody and I mean NOBODY can deny that a nurse is the most over-worked, underpaid, least respected, and most ignored job in the healthcare industry. However, the nurse is absolutely the most important and vital job when it comes to patient care.
The doc spends about 5 minutes with a patient. The nurse on the other hand spends days with them and their famlies. Teaching them, explaining what the meds are for, tring to ease the pain, and comforting when there is a loss. For the most part it is a thankless job. These are all FACTS!!
Many of the nurses that have posted are venting, and they have every right to do that, but you are venting to the wrong people and at the wrong place. All of us know the real problem is with the insurance companies. All they care about is the bottom line, if it doesn't make a profit, pitch it! The hospitials are responding to insurance companies. If the HMO's and such won't pay for the services, the hospitial has to absorb the cost, because 99% of the time the patient can't or won't pay the bill. So the hospitial cuts staffing to reduce their losses, if any.
It's a vicious cycle and the ones who suffer are the nurses and more importantly...the patients. The people who need to hear this are Congressmen, Senators, Governors, etc. I don't mean once in a while, but daily and constantly. This is not going to happen overnight it will take time and effort on EVERY nurses part. I know, I know... your already taxed on your time. 8+ pts, no breaks, 12 hour shifts, unions that are not listening. Who said change is easy. But to sit back and ***** ...***** ...***** will not help either!
I am not a nurse, but I will be attending this coming quarter. I can already hear the comments...'You have no idea what the f*** your talking about'...'You have know idea what's going on'...'What right do you have to make these staments'....
Maybe I do, maybe I don't. But I haven't seen anybody suggest anything else. Now here's something that will cook your goose. Many people were complaining about their pay..I'm a network engineer and my current salary is just over $87,000. I'm going to take a $25/hour pay cut to do something I love.
May 17, '00[yes I would go into nursing again, there is nothing I ever wanted to do except be a nurse, sure nursing has changed, but what in this life doesn't change. life is about change, nothing ever stays the same. If we wait there will be a change back to better ways of nursing, but will it ever go back to what it was before, no, but nothing ever returns to what is was before. That's life.
Go back to Brian's posting in this forum: "Yes, there are so many options"
There are quite a number of responses from nurses there, who have a wide range of experience. There are approximately 28 responses to Brian's original post.
Those who would recomend: 10
Those who would not: 17
(One or two people could have gone either way or didn't say.)
Maybe I am not the only one who would not recomend nursing as a career.[/B][/QUOTE]
May 19, '00I have been an RN for 17 years. I began my career in the hospital setting. Back then, you couldn't get off 3rd shift. A few years later, I had an opportunity to go into Occupational Health Nursing. Most of these jobs are first shift, no weekends. The pay in North Carolina is around $18 to $20 per hour, in the area where I live. I love it. The people you see aren't sick enough to go to the hospital. You goal is preventative medicine. You deal with workplace injuries, worker's comp., pre-employment physicals, wellness programs, etc. If you ever need or want a change, this is one area that most nurses, once they get into it, really love.
May 21, '00i dont think nursing is what it use to be. i have always wanted to be a nurse, cause i like careing for people, but not when you work shorthanded and the patients are not getting all the care they should.you tell administration, and still no extra help. they want you to do all this work with less workers, and then wonder why everything is not done. they are running nurses into the ground.
May 28, '00Originally posted by jbresolin:
The last post poingnant- as nurses we can all relate to the value of trying to enjoy and live each day to the fullest. To MIRN, Nurse Dude, and Kate I have been a nurse for 12 yrs. (before that I was a welder for 10 yrs.) I make 35.66 benefitted and would make over $40/hr without benefits. I am thankful for the struggles of CNA to help ensure a decent wage (I participate in political action). I returned to school for MSN/FNP and expect to make less. Community clinics pay $30/hr with benefits which is considered good. Planned Parenthood pays $20/hr for FNPs. Benefits and work load are negotiated by the FNP. Education may sustain interest in your career, but in a materialistic culture it is hard to appreciate the benefits of education in nursing. We must recognize the importance of personal values and context in answering the question of nursing as a career. I remember making more as a welder than my brother -in -law who had a PhD. He went back for an MBA in his field and does much better financially in marketing and development. I wonder if there will be comparable benefits to getting a graduate degree in nursing? I do appreciate the flexability in scheduling that nurses have, it has enabled me to volunteer, go to school and have time off whenever I need it. Both sides have valid points to make, nursing is a hard job and sometimes the efforts we make are not rewarded. I had heard that it was difficult before I started out but I was idealistic. I think I still have some of that but each person has their limitations. Perhaps a prospective nurse would benefit from interviewing and following nurses on the job before embarking on the educational process.
May 28, '00Hello All Nurses!
Yes, I would recommend nursing as a career!
Especially military nursing, I was a medic in the military for 4 years before I became a nurse. I have to say that in my opinion, nurses are treated with much more respect in the military than in some civilian agencies. They are also very supportive of continuing your education and career advancement. I feel lucky to be in a field with so many different job opportunities. I do agree though, that the military, just as nursing, is not for everyone.
This is just my 2 cents......
May 28, '00my 2 cents...would not do this again, been a nurse 23yrs (half my life)would not recomend it to anyone. I believe nurses should be paid what they are worth-combination of education/skill/experience etc. I don't think just because you value yourself and your career that it's money grubbing...If I could start with a number I'd say $50 for RN, 4yr degree of some kind required, but I'm open to business/teaching etc.$75 for masters/NP per hour.$25 for LPN and $15-20 for CNA bet we'd get the best and brightest doing their best work from everyone plus decent work conditions.nursedude you got the fur flying(that's a good thing)I enjoyed all the food for thought from everyone.oramar, I left the bedside to do what I could to change circustances- so don't feel alone, next I will leave the profession. I can't change others behavior only my own. I value me and my work so I'll just find another arena to still "care for people" and get my fix.
May 31, '00hey nursedude, and all others:
it's too bad that nursing isn't better when it comes to benefits and salary, etc,i agree, but you know what? i wouldn't give nursing up for the world. i've had this calling to help people as far back as i can remember. it's not the "career" that i want, i would do it for free. i've always wanted to make a difference in somebody's life, so with my nursing job, that's what i've set out to do. Hey nursedude, it's too bad, that you don't realize what a difference you can make. Think of what you have done in the past, whether you have felt appreciated or not. to think that, i have helped somebody's grandmother, son, niece, father, etc, is all that i need to get me out of the bed in the morning. i don't want to go drilling holes in the ground, or sitting down at a computer doing somebody's math problems all day long, no matter how much money they are willing to pay me. i know that deep in my heart, that my job in this world is to help others enjoy their life, and it's too bad that you don't see the gift that you have. maybe you should go do construction work so you can go home everyday, and say "yeah!! i made a whole in the ground today!" that ought to make you feel a whole lot better, live a better life, and we shall never hear you whine again!
Jun 9, '00You know,
I originally posted this topic "Nursing is pathetic" a pretty long time ago under the "Would you recomend nursing as a career?"
So many people who have responded to me seem to be SO upset that I took the stand that I did.... SO many people feel that "Helping people is their calling" and well, that's great but that's not what this forum is about...I could understand why so many people would take offense to what I originally said had I posted under the topic "Would you recomend helping people as a career" or "Would you recomend helping people as a calling?".... Brian asked "would you recomend NURSING as a CAREER?" not "would you recomend nursing as a CALLING?"
Hello? Wake up Susie nurse. Wake up Florence Nightingale...The profession known as nursing is a sham! How is it that a calling such as "nursing" is nothing more than a thankless profession, yet the (same) calling (helping people) that hits people who become physicians are regarded as "elite" and "vital" professionals in health care? For crying out loud! When will the majority of nursing professionals wake up from the deep denial that they are in? When will you realize that yo are being sold short? When will nurses decide to drop the martyr mentality and accept the fact that they are being replaced by other less qualified people? When will nursing professionals realize that they are viewed as "the ugly stepsisters" in healthcare? A necessary burden on the revenue of healthcare dollars?
So there are my opinions....Maybe I am a pessimist, maybe I am burned out, maybe I am wrong but I beg your pardon. I think that nursing is crashing and burning before or eyes and for some reason the majority of nurses out there cannot or will not see this.
What do you say? Let's all give it another 5 maybe 10 years. Do you think that in 5 or 10 years that healthcare is going to improve? Do you think that the era of HMO's and Managed care will give way and return to a fee for service based platform OR do you think healthcare budgets will shrink even more, that HMO's will reimburse less and less, that medicaire will cut back further? Based on that, how do you think that will affect nurses salaries? How then, do you think that will affect the quality of nursing care?
Come on. Wake up and see the writing on the wall nurses! It is clear! We are nearing the end of "Professional Nursing" as we know it!
All replies welcomed...
Jun 9, '00I agree 100%...takes guts to admit it nursedude/saying it like it is well it's harsh...but truth be told you are right on the money.There are two groups in nursing Pollyanna's and well the group no one talks about and tries to shut up. I for one am not interested in being a martyr, don't have that rescue syndrome, want to enable w/ caretaking blah, blah. I want to use my brains, push the envelope, be a valued member and recieve compensation appropriate to education and skill.