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  1. by   UKRNinUSA
    WORKINGWOMANINTN -a question for you

    the content of your postings and the fact that you are a recent member prompt me to (respectfully) ask the question -are you a healthcare insurance lobbyist? a nurse? Please clarify. Thanks
  2. by   CRNA2007
    Why does it matter? She is a taxpayer that's all that should matter.



    Quote from UKRNinUSA
    WORKINGWOMANINTN -a question for you

    the content of your postings and the fact that you are a recent member prompt me to (respectfully) ask the question -are you a healthcare insurance lobbyist? a nurse? Please clarify. Thanks
  3. by   WORKINGWOMANINTN
    Hi, UKRNinUSA! I'm just a woiking goil - RN for 35 years, predominantly in Critical Care and Home Health. I've been meaning to ask you -- (which may be asking the obvious): are you from the UK? If so, how long have you worked in the US, and what areas?
    I've always been 'too busy' for political issues. But when the health care debate started cranking up, I went to whitehouse.gov & reviewed the Open Forums. I applaud the Obama administration for making the process accessible. Then as HR 3200 was posted, I reviewed it and the markups.
    When the ANA promoted 'Obama's plan', I asked them for their rationale. I'm just trying to differentiate spin-vs-fact.
    I think the Health Care debate is just the watershed for much of American citizenry that the federal government has far overstepped its Constitutional authority. And this pre-dates the Obama administration.
  4. by   HM2VikingRN
    Debunking critics
  5. by   UKRNinUSA
    Quote from WORKINGWOMANINTN
    Hi, UKRNinUSA! I'm just a woiking goil - RN for 35 years, predominantly in Critical Care and Home Health. I've been meaning to ask you -- (which may be asking the obvious): are you from the UK? If so, how long have you worked in the US, and what areas?.
    I am from the UK -I have been an RN for 25 years -I came here 18 years ago on a wild whim and currently work in a not for profit, unionized, community hospital ER. I want healthcare reform because
    1. I have an innate aversion to injustice
    2. I believe I have a duty as a nurse to advocate for my patients, that include the insured, the underinsured and the uninsured.
    3. I am sick of getting ripped off by the current system -the health insurance companies have way too much power and its way too expensive.

    I have seen national health insurance in action and believe me it's no boogeyman. It continues to work well for the friends and relatives that both my husband and I have back in Europe. They cannot comprehend support for a system that allows for prohibitively expensive insurance policies, failure to cover people with pre-existing conditions, medical bankruptcies, denials of care and cancellation of insurance policies (during chemo, for instance). I can't either.

    I welcome the open debate on healthcare reform -its been a long time coming. Personally I am pro single payer and believe that "Obamacare" does not go far enough, but at least its a start on much needed regulation of the health insurance companies.

    Thank you for your reply WORKINGWOMANINTN -its a relief to be able to have civilized debate on these issues. The escalation of recent events re the healthcare debate -violence at town hall meetings, comparisons of Obama to Hitler is very concerning to me and is leading us along a dangerous path.
  6. by   UKRNinUSA
    Quote from CRNA2007
    Why does it matter? She is a taxpayer that's all that should matter.
    It matters. Rick Scott of "Conservatives for Patient's Rights" is a taxpayer too, you must have seen his ads on TV recently

    "Scott Departed Columbia/HCA Amid "A Rash Of Civil And Criminal Fraud Inquiries." Modern Healthcare reported: "Richard Scott left HCA in July 1997 as a rash of civil and criminal fraud inquiries into what was then known as Columbia-HCA Healthcare Corp. became public. Scott resigned less than two weeks after investigators raided 18 Columbia-HCA hospitals in six states. The HHS' inspector general's office issued the company three subpoenas and five of its employees received grand jury subpoenas. Ultimately, HCA brokered two massive settlements in 2000 and 2002 worth a combined $1.74 billion to wrap up fraud charges." [Modern Healthcare, 7/11/05]"

    This is just part of a rather informative webpage that can be accessed at

    http://mediamattersaction.org/factcheck/200905310002

    Read it if you dare!
  7. by   laborer
    Now let's play nice, follow the money trail to Congress..... http://www.opensecrets.org :typing
    Last edit by laborer on Aug 8, '09
  8. by   WORKINGWOMANINTN
    Thanks for sharing this site, laborer. I'd never seen it -- you could 'mine this thing for gold nuggets' for a long time! For example, I would have thought the big ticket 2008 Presidential campaign suppporters would have been the typical USA power brokers (like oil & gas, insurance companies, banks, etc). But the really big ones were entertainment, gambling/casinos, & computers.
    I hate to be a party pooper, but I'm working all weekend. Here's the $64M question (chump change nowadays): What data strikes you the most?
  9. by   K98
    Quote from [B
    UKRNinUSA;3791830]I am from the UK -I have been an RN for 25 years -I came here 18 years ago on a wild whim and currently work in a not for profit, unionized, community hospital ER. I want healthcare reform because
    1. I have an innate aversion to injustice
    2. I believe I have a duty as a nurse to advocate for my patients, that include the insured, the underinsured and the uninsured.
    3. I am sick of getting ripped off by the current system -the health insurance companies have way too much power and its way too expensive.[/B]

    I have seen national health insurance in action and believe me it's no boogeyman. It continues to work well for the friends and relatives that both my husband and I have back in Europe. They cannot comprehend support for a system that allows for prohibitively expensive insurance policies, failure to cover people with pre-existing conditions, medical bankruptcies, denials of care and cancellation of insurance policies (during chemo, for instance). I can't either.

    I welcome the open debate on healthcare reform -its been a long time coming. Personally I am pro single payer and believe that "Obamacare" does not go far enough, but at least its a start on much needed regulation of the health insurance companies.

    Thank you for your reply WORKINGWOMANINTN -its a relief to be able to have civilized debate on these issues. The escalation of recent events re the healthcare debate -violence at town hall meetings, comparisons of Obama to Hitler is very concerning to me and is leading us along a dangerous path.
    None of this is available in the UK? Why did you leave? I don't understand why you left your home, friends, etc. to move to a foreign country, what that you seem to disapprove of at that, if things were so wonderful in the UK. Please enlighten us.
  10. by   HM2VikingRN
  11. by   K98
    Quote from HM2Viking
    When you have no valid argument, ridicule is as good as anything else.
  12. by   HM2VikingRN
    No one is ridiculing anyone. The cartoon is simply pointing out a cognitive disconnect....
  13. by   WORKINGWOMANINTN
    I agree, HM2Viking.... it is hypocritical to disparage this new govt entitlement program whilst holding your own hand out.

    Let's d/c Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP AND the Public Option. Maintain tax-relief to beef up our charitable institutions to support those with true needs. Each person is responsible for his/her own needs. This system will work in America.
    Last edit by WORKINGWOMANINTN on Aug 9, '09

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