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  1. Male Nurses Leaving Profession

    .c The Associated Press

    PHILADELPHIA (AP) - Recent graduates of the nation's nursing schools are leaving the profession more quickly than their predecessors, with male nurses bolting at almost twice the rate of their female counterparts, according to a new study.

    About 7.5 percent of new male nurses left the profession within four years of graduating from nursing school, compared to 4.1 percent of new female nurses, according to the study by a University of Pennsylvania researcher. It was reported Thursday in the journal Health Affairs.

    ``In general, nurses are looked down upon, especially by physicians,'' said Jerome Koss, a nurse since 1978 and an administrator for Fox Chase Cancer Center in Philadelphia. ``It's changing but it's still an issue - and I think men are much less tolerant than women of that kind of treatment.''

    The research, which looked at data in a national survey of registered nurses conducted by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services in 1992, 1996 and 2000, is the latest to highlight the nationwide nursing shortage.

    Tom Foster, a nurse for eight years, said low pay is a big issue for men and women alike, and he questioned whether some men may discover after graduation that they have problems working in a female-dominated field.

    ``Many men are interested in the technical aspect of nursing and they use nursing as a stepping stone'' to more advanced and better-paying jobs in critical care or as nurse anesthetists, said Foster, who also works at Fox Chase.

    Though men only make up about 5 percent of the nursing work force nationwide, their departure rates are still a cause for concern, said Bill Cruice, director of the Pennsylvania Association of Staff Nurses and Allied Professionals.

    ``For men or women, the problem will not be solved until you deal with staffing levels, mandatory overtime, lack of respect and recognition and lack of a decent pension,'' he said.

    Government and medical groups have said that if current trends continue, the nation will face a shortage of half a million nurses by 2020. The nation's nursing corps is aging, nursing school enrollments have been dropping and nearly 2.7 million nurses in the United States aren't actively practicing, according to a government report released earlier this year.

    ``If new RNs are leaving the profession after only a few years, the shortage is likely to reach crisis proportions sooner rather than later,'' said Julie Sochalski, associate professor at Penn's School of Nursing and author of the study.

    The study also found that the dropout rate for new graduates of both genders is accelerating - rising from 2 percent of men in 1992 to 7.5 percent in 2000; and 2.7 percent of women in 1992 to 4.1 percent in 2000.

    Job satisfaction also differed by gender, with 75 percent of new female nurses reporting they were satisfied with their jobs compared to 67 percent of male nurses. Among nurses established in their careers, 69 percent of women and 60 percent of men reported being satisfied with their jobs.

    ``Men, I think, want more autonomy in their careers ... they want to be making decisions about their own practice,'' Koss said. ``The profession is changing and there's more room for that than there used to be. Maybe the problem is that the word's not getting out.''

    The report did not attempt to address why more new nurses, and specifically new male nurses, are leaving. But Sochalski said it shows the importance of looking for the reasons.
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  3. by   sjoe
    Watched part of CBS Sunday Morning today. A spokesperson for the Hispanic community was talking about they way Latinas have been portrayed on television and in Hollywood, complaining that so far these women have usually been given demeaning and low-class roles such as maids, nannies, and NURSES. He hopes that, with the increasing Hispanic population in this country, new kinds of roles will open up for them.

    One of the many reasons why women and men are getting out of nursing.

    Enough said.
    Last edit by sjoe on Sep 15, '02
  4. by   live4today
    sjoe......HA! THAT type of treatment has been alive and well in America since Americans stole this land from many of my forefathers.

    Native Americans.......Black People......any foreigner coming to Hollywood to be an actor/actresses......was portrayed in a dumb stupid ignorant kind of a way......anything that made the White Race in Hollywood SHINE over and above every other culture.

    Interesting indeed, eh?

    As for men in nursing leaving.........what is so different about that when women have been leaving nursing in record numbers long before men became nurses?????? And.......for the very same reasons.......nothings been done about the same old pre-existing problems as yet?
    Last edit by live4today on Sep 15, '02
  5. by   sjoe
    Cheerfuldoer: you're right, as usual.

    My point, however, was more to focus on the fact that the speaker counted "nurses" as a low-status, low-class role without a second thought. (I'll go back and capitalize it.)

    The lack of status and respect by the community at large that seem to be part and parcel of nursing is but one of the reasons why men and women have been leaving the field. Myself included.

    (I probably shouldn't have posted this on this particular thread, but it kind of fit into the original article.)
    Last edit by sjoe on Sep 15, '02
  6. by   Patsfan
    The Boston Globe ran this story today on the subject.

    Nurses alienated by job stresses, lures from related fields

    By Diane E. Lewis, Globe Staff, 9/15/02

    For as long as she could remember, LaTanya Robinson, 23, of Dorchester,
    wanted to be a nurse. ''There is something about taking care of people when
    they are sick that has always interested me,'' said Robinson. ''It makes me feel
    as if I am helping or doing something good.''

    But after graduating from the University of
    Massachusetts at Boston last December with a
    bachelor's degree in nursing, she began worrying
    about the long hours, the heavy patient loads,
    and the stress -- byproducts of a critical nursing
    shortage that shows no signs of easing.

    At one point, Robinson contemplated not taking
    her board certification exam and continuing her
    current job as a nurses' aide until she explored
    other career options more thoroughly. She has
    since changed her mind, and plans to take her
    nursing boards in a few weeks.

    Increasingly, new nurses like Robinson are casting
    a more critical eye on the profession, and they are
    beginning to leave the field in higher numbers,
    reports Julie Sochalski, an associate professor at
    the University of Pennsylvania School of Nursing.
    She says the trend could pose long-term problems
    for hospitals and clinics across the country.

    ''We know the nation is facing a shortfall of
    nurses,'' said Sochalski, ''but if new registered
    nurses are leaving the profession after only a few
    years, the shortage is likely to reach crisis
    proportions sooner rather than later.''

    Ernst & Young reports that nursing shortages at
    hospitals and clinics will exceed 500,000 positions
    by the year 2020. This trend is expected to
    coincide with growing demand in the
    biotechnology, pharmaceutical, and medical device
    industries for professionals with medical or health
    care experience, according to the management
    consulting firm. In the pharmaceutical industry,
    demand for nurses and other health care
    professionals will increase 35 percent in the next
    decade alone, according to data from the Bureau
    of Labor Statistics.

    Sochalski's research reveals that new male nurses
    are leaving the profession at a higher rate than young women. Her study
    analyzes and compares survey data collected from 36,000 nurses by the US
    Department of Health and Human Services in 1992, 1996, and 2000. It shows
    that by 2000 7.5 percent of new male nurses left the profession within four
    years of graduating from nursing school, up from 2 percent in 1992. By contrast,
    4.1 percent of young women in the field left the profession within four years of
    leaving nursing school, up from 2.7 percent in 1992.

    ''New nurses begin their careers with higher levels of job satisfaction, but the
    workplace itself seems to be convincing growing numbers to leave the bedside
    earlier in their careers for other professions,'' said Sochalski.

    In Massachusetts, the demand for skilled nurses began increasing after
    hospitals reduced costs in the 1990s and laid off highly paid nursing specialists,
    reports Judith Shindul-Rothschild, a professor of nursing at Boston College.
    With the aging of the patient population, hospitals experienced new stresses.
    Meanwhile, the median age of nurses rose, resulting in more retirements. At
    the same time, fewer replacement nurses were graduated. The problem
    worsened when applications to nursing schools fell 5 percent by the end of the

    Asked where younger nurses are going, Sochalski said: ''We know, anecdotally,
    that pharmaceutical companies, biotech companies, health insurance, and
    managed care firms are very interested in nurses.''

    That doesn't surprise Sherry Hayes, director of the Center for Industry Change
    at Ernst & Young in Washington, D.C. She estimates that demand in the
    bio-pharma industry for professionals and supervisors with health care or
    nursing backgrounds is expected to increase 17 percent over the next decade,
    and 14 percent in the medical device industry alone.

    ''Increasingly, it will be important for the biotech and pharmaceutical industries
    to have people who not only know the sciences, but also understand how
    health care is delivered,'' said Hayes. ''We are also seeing that job satisfaction
    among doctors and nurses has waned because of managed care. They've
    become wrapped up in a highly regulated environment. For many of these
    individuals, biotechnology offers an entrepreneurial and creative environment
    that is more flexible.''

    When Sochalski examined the federal data she had collected, she discovered
    that close to 136,000 licensed nurses in the United States are currently working
    in other jobs. Of those, 45 percent had switched to health-related professions
    such as clinical research, safety management, drug marketing, or project
    management within the health research field. In all, there are 2.7 million US

    Shindul-Rothschild, who has mentored several nursing students at Boston
    College, recalled a young woman who quit a hectic job at a busy health center
    18 months after she graduated.

    ''She completed her night shift and was waiting for me when I got in,'' said
    Shindul-Rothschild. ''A child had literally died in her arms and she was very
    upset. She also felt helpless.... She shifted gears and used her nursing skills to
    get involved in research and started working for a pharmaceutical.''

    The trend is also being watched by Texas-based allied health care staffing firm
    Martin, Fletcher. The company helps hospitals and health care institutions
    recruit doctors, pharmacists, nurses, anesthesiologists, and other health

    ''We are seeing a lot of movement in the nursing field in terms of biomedical
    work and even legal nursing,'' said Jody Talbert, vice president of marketing. ''At
    hospitals we are seeing salaries that range from $18 to $25 per hour, or
    between $35,000 and $47,000 per year, for beginning nurses. But some
    nurses, working weekends and late night shifts, are making as much as
    $70,000 per year.''

    Faced with such intense demand, hospitals are fighting back, he said. Some
    have joined nurses in pushing for funding of the Nurse Reinvestment Act, which
    provides federal funds for education, including scholarships, geriatric training,
    and other grants to improve career ladder programs.

    Many hospitals are also offering sign-on bonuses ranging from $5,000 to as
    much as $50,000, with a commitment of three to five years. About 85 percent of
    all US hospitals now offer sign-on bonuses, up from 50 to 60 percent five years
    ago, said Talbert.

    ''In Massachusetts, the average sign-on bonus, with a two-year commitment, is
    $5,000 to $10,000,'' he added. He said nurses with bachelor's or master's
    degrees are making $75,000 to $80,000 per year in private industry, with the
    added benefit of such perks as company cars.

    Despite the obstacles, LaTanya Robinson has decided to pursue her dream.
    She's hoping to land a position as a registered nurse after she receives board

    ''A lot of hospitals offered jobs,'' she said. ''I think all hospitals are going
    through the same thing right now, but I don't want to be too stressed --
    wherever I go.''

    Diane E. Lewis can be reached at
  7. by   rebelwaclause
    ITs because of the floral print scrubs....Isn't it? ADMIT IT! Ya can't be studly in a paisley-pink smock! (hahahahahhahahaha)
  8. by   Bluebarn
    Very funny Rebel.

    My wardrobe consists of all solid, sedate colors. Even the "men's" patterns are a bit silly, like cute frogs or teddybears riding motorcycles. Or a bunch of sailboats or something. And don't even think about men wearing the cuffed-ankle scrub pants.