Different kind of retaliation - page 2

I was in a RN refresher program until a few days ago. I got through the 2 months of classroom with an average of 92%. No problems there. But when I got to the clinicals in a hospital seeking... Read More

  1. by   clee1
    Quote from ZZTopRN

    That was funny. How about old hag? I heard one of my male psych patients call one of our female residents that! I work one day a week at a residential psych center. It is funny how they present one face to you and another towards their fellow residents.
    Anytime ZZ....

    I know your situation is NOT funny, but I felt a little levity might help.

    In the immortal words of Kenny Rogers: " You got to know when to hold 'em; know when to fold 'em."

    If this bag (hag) really has it in for you, you might as well look for a new place to refresh. Sorry, but there really are some NASTY old bats out there.

    Best of luck to you.
  2. by   ZZTopRN
    Panay, Clee:

    Aren't we professional. Old bag, old hag, old bat. I like old bat most. That really made me laugh. A sense of humor is needed, especially when you are not hurting anyone. I guess I have a warped sense of humor. I love most nurses, though. They know what's going on. But wish we could support each other better because nurses are great people. Thanks for your wit and support.

    I am looking forward really to the next hearing with the school board. I hope she rolls her eyeballs, (real professional like) at this hearing. This will be at the board of education. They are not stopping me from working, but I am not going to let the old bat getting away with calling me an unsafe nurse. I already work part-time in a residential psych facility. Maybe we could get her a bed. I am only looking for part-time work. Not a career. I still really don't know what I want to do yet.

    Bye for now.

    Love you guys!
  3. by   clee1
    Quote from ZZTopRN
    Panay, Clee:
    Aren't we professional. Old bag, old hag, old bat. I like old bat most.
    Ha-cha-cha-cha-cha! I gotta MILLION of 'em! (best J. Durante voice)

    Seriously, I'm glad the geriatric harpy's (like that one ) comment didn't keep you out of work, and I'm equally glad you are calling her on the carpet for it.

    Too often, mean-spirited people take out their life frustrations on others; especially when they think their victim can't or won't fight back. It is always refreshing to disabuse them of that notion.

    Best wishes!
  4. by   Skippitb
    I just read this story for the first time today and this is the most horrible thing I have ever heard of. I am so sorry that you have to put up with this. :angryfire Is there anyway you can get a lawyer involved? I really think that you need one. Perhaps you could get one to come with you to the grievance meeting? This hospital needs to learn that covering up age discrimination is serious business. My thoughts are with you.
  5. by   stevesf
    You had my ear (and sympathy) until I read the last line:

    "It is just so awful that we think we live in a free world but corporate america has us well under-control."

    How in the world do we go from a problem with one instructor to bashing almost every healthcare provider in the free world, save government-sponsored organizations?

  6. by   spidermonkey
    Ambulatory care/outpatient surgery is the wave of the future. With insurance companies calling all the shots & mandating that more & more procedures be done on an outpatient basis you would be wise to go into this specialty. Who would have dreamed that we'd be sending lap choles & T&As home the same day?? I have worked w/nurses in their 70's who still work ambulatory surgery, and their input is much appreciated, and the patients love them. Your instructor is not very understanding & doesn't sound like she should be teaching a refresher course! I wish you all the best.
  7. by   clee1
    Quote from stevesf
    You had my ear (and sympathy) until I read the last line:

    "It is just so awful that we think we live in a free world but corporate america has us well under-control."

    How in the world do we go from a problem with one instructor to bashing almost every healthcare provider in the free world, save government-sponsored organizations?

    Steve, I'm to the right of Rush Limbaugh, and am all for capitalism and free enterprise; however, our healthcare delivery system is broken. When insurance companies (including medicare and medicaid) determine the treatments and length of stays that are OK for each and every patient, rather than those decisions being made by the patient and their MD, something is terribly wrong.

    I don't know what the solution to the problem is (and I am violently opposed to socialized medicine) but SOMETHING is going to HAVE to be done.
  8. by   ZZTopRN
    Hi Stevesf:

    I didn't go from one instructor to the world-wide corporations. It is all in the same system. The games are the same. As old as I am, I am getting wise to the ways of the corporate world. Ever read the Greening of America? Are you a nurse? I truly love nursing. I am totally fascinated with ambulatory care. So many advantages for the patient, quick recovery, new technology. But it truly is a "broken system" with most of the people hurt being the patient and the nurse. I imagine just a few of the doctors are feeling frustration and pressure. Everyone needs to look at it from the perspective of the public and the providers. As I said, ambulatory surgery and procedures, I think are wonderful; however, I just don't think assembly line medicine is good for anyone that happens to be involved. There are miracles and there are dangers. Don't mean to sound simplistic, but reading a good deal of posts here you can see all the positives and negatives. Sorry, I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers.
  9. by   ZZTopRN
    Spider Monkey: Thank you. Yes, lap choles, T&As, and when I was oriented in the cath lab, I was astounded that these patients were sent home the same day after a cardiac cath. Maybe this is not news to all of you, but my eyes were really open. I had never been exposed to it, so maybe it's a routine thing. I was in the cafeteria one day and one of the guy's from the cath lab was behind me. I said "oh, I was just there yesterday." He beamed at apparently wanting me to verify the wonderful results and asking how they did. The 3 patients I saw that had cardiac procedures, one was sent to ICU, one to telemetry, and one was sent home because there was too much calcium in the arteries. He looked really let down as if I had taken all the starch out of him. I felt so bad for him that I couldn't tell him of a miracle. But after all, if a patient is 97-years-old and nothing can be done for him, naturally you aren't going to do any heroics on him. Those days happen as well as the "miracles." But I am glad to be able to have been exposed to that kind of medicine.
  10. by   ZZTopRN
    Stevesf: I mean to say "Greening of the Hospitals, not America. I think you will find it interesting reading.
  11. by   ZZTopRN
    ZZTOP here again.

    I had my 3rd (lst meeting with lower board of education). I was offered an opportunity to go back and do my clinicals again. But no one had to take responsibility for the instructor making the statements that weren't true. I asked several times "what do you mean I was rude, what wasn't up to speed about? 'you didn't carry your load.' 'Why was it written that I was placed in a clinical area where I never was?' 'I placed you there.' "The student handbook says if any student is difficient, they should be placed on probation, why was I taken out of the program and why wasn't I told of the unsafe things I allegedly was doing?' Everybody said you were incompetent, I felt sorry for you." I guess their way of getting out of it was "allowing me to do the clinicals again." I did my clinicals!

    If there is any doubt about how "corporations" or "organizations" operate, this is a little example. School board is an "organization" When I was taking a course in business law, I learned that "individuals do not survive in an organization." I had gone one time to a luncheon where Gerry Spence was the speaker. What I remembered first of all, "law schools are geared to organizations." What a surprise.

    I have put in a call to a nurse attorney. I understand that if you don't get hired for some illogical reason, you can sue. But I am not sure about the school board and it being a refresher program. I can still get some jobs but not in a hospital unless I have my certificate of completion.

    I did want to work in some of the outpatient centers, but that does not look like an option for me now. I can live with that, but the thing that I am so angry about is the power they have over an individual. That's what I mean when I say, when you put all the players and pieces together, we are dominated by corporate America. I am certainly not for socialized medicine either, but medicine (I mean medical industry) is different. I feel hurt. Ironically, one of the simple thing I learned in my year of law, if you make accusations, have the facts to back them up. Apparently this does not apply to corporate America. Thanks for letting me vent.

    I'll survive. But it is part human nature also. I just feel bummed out now. I am going to take their offer to let me take the IV cert class even if I have missed 2 classes. There is a lot about medications besides just technique. Maybe the lawyer will have some good news for me. But I just have this feeling that it won't fly just because a manager in the area I wanted to work in asked me to apply and even though I did apply, I am told that unless I have the certificate of completion, they cannot hire me.

    I'm trying to think of philosophical things to say to myself. Got any good ones? Like when one door closes, another opens, he he! Well, these hospitals have a lot of doors. Tell me something funny, or maybe I will go to the funniest experiences you ever had boards or something.

    Bye Bye
  12. by   Gabie Baby
    ZZTopRN, please forgive me for saying so but I think your attitude is part of the trouble. Your remarks about free labor were not welcome, I'm sure. You know that students in every discipline, be it social work, medicine, car repair, or dogcatcher have to learn - by doing. So all students give free labor, you could say, in exchange for the chance to learn their chosen line of work. I don't really know of any way around this.

    Also, your being older tells me that you would likely have a harder time with tolerating school and anything you perceived as non-essential than would a younger student. It's understandable. And since you've been working for a while already, you have already dealt with being responsible and with being the boss. It's hard to regress to student status after that, even to advance onesself.

    I hope this all works out to your benefit eventually but I also hope you will think long and hard in the future before you criticize the boss, the program, the organization. You must realize that, unless you can afford legal help and lots of stress, you are the small fish in a big pond. Small fish must learn their place. I'm not saying not to fight or to be a doormat. But fully assess the situation, count the cost before you start the battle. How would you have felt if you were the instructor and a student challenged you and criticized you the way you did your instructor? We have to use wisdom and not start something we can't finish and all that.

    Again, please forgive me for speaking plainly. I know a lot about this sort of thing because I've personally gotten myself into rouble sometimes by being too verbal or not showing respect.

    An apology and a request for mercy to your instructor could pay off, if you can bring yourself to do that. I wish you well.
  13. by   Gabie Baby
    Oh, I was just re-reading your OP.

    Way too much talking with your instructor. Just smile, be nice, be QUIET. DO NOT tell your personal information at work or in school or to ANYONE if you don't want it made widely known or used against you.

    Geez, ZZTOP RN, please learn to protect yourself.