Rehab Success Rate??? - page 6
Hi all: Does anybody have any numbers of the success rate of the substance abuse industry? I simply have no idea and Mr. Google hasn't been that helpful. Thank You all!!!... Read More
Nov 8, '17I'm gonna go out on a limb but shouldn't it be between you and your sponsor as to how often y'all need to meet and not information that is disclosable to any program. Is it in the contract that you have to "be working the steps" which I am not sure is a legally enforcable provision anyway since it doesn't mean squat?
If the contract reads, group weekly for a year then every other, then they have to do that. Unless it says that "working the steps" is a requirement of the contract, that cannot be held against you.
At least in my experience I have found that sometimes these idiots need a gentle reminder that if I must adhere to thier stupid contract, so do they. Unfortunately, also in my experience, that gentle reminder was shaped like a lawyer.
Nov 8, '17No, she isn't. Nobody else in my group has who I have either, so they got stepped down even though they weren't doing the steps and some never got a sponsor. So you might be good with your case manager.
I take my recovery seriously and haven't had any issues with them. I guess I momentarily forgot that part of this is a game to them. I'll do what I need to and keep playing.
Nov 8, '17Oh God!!! I'm truly sorry this happened to you. I comply with all the stuff I'm supposed to do and at one point even asked them if "I had to sing the company song" (ie lie) to move along in the program & they said I didn't. I hope I'm not making a mistake. I have group soon and I hope like hell my period there is winding down as I can't stand it. Anyway, good luck to you & this piece of news stinks!!!!
Nov 9, '17Maxdog, WTH??? Can they just change the rules on you like that? I mean, you have to comply with their contract, why don't they. Oh man, I am so sorry that happened to you. Is there a way you can appeal that decision? I mean, working the steps is between you and your sponsor. Also, how often you speak with each other is none of the boards business. If you have followed every rule, and turned in all required documents, I would not see that as a problem. Good luck. Again, sorry this is happening to you.
Feb 11It is pretty low, I think less than10%. Hard to measure given AA is 'anonymous' and people are diagnosing/treating themselves. DUIs are not an accurate measurement, too many non-alcoholics get DUIs since BAC lowered.
The reason 'social model' AKA 12-step based is used is because, quite frankly, nobody has come up with anything better than Dr. Bob and Bill W did with AA. Everyone cites these dismal numbers yet no one has put out a program which works better, AA is for people who want it. I don't believe in forcing people into meetings.
I love this program, it saved my life in 1989, I still go but I fell into a really low-bottom drinking category and do not want to forget where I came from. I also was not forced in by anyone, I did not know where else to go as an uninsured, minimum-wage waitress.
Feb 13Quote from Maxdog1Yes...like pavlovs dog they have been conditioned to believe by the 1 odd percent anecdotal "success" they somehow attribute to the musings of a delusional drunk with a w in his name some sort of superior "cure" exists...play the game to keep your career and then be shut of them...never forget: "That which can be proclaimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence" My "internal" sanity will never be disrupted by the absolute abhorrent hypocrisy I must endure...endurance is key...spite fuels me and if you must "work the steps" remember its nothing more than an utterly ridiculous placebo for the massess...Personally I'd love to see the Dr. Seuss version...at least they would have merit beyond a cheap fairy tail biblical plagerism...onward!Hey guys
This is kind of related to the topic of success rates....sooo...
Just needed to vent for a minute to some people that understand. So I'm in my monitoring program since August 2016. The usual requirement here is to attend the nurse support group weekly for 1 year, and then get stepped down to every other week. So I was recently told that after speaking with my case manager, that my therapist cannot step me down to every other week, although my year of weekly is over. She says this is coming from my case manager, and all the case managers do it how ever they want. At this point in my recovery, I have a sponsor but I have been honest in group and have said that I only speak to her once a week at a meeting and I am not actively working the 12 steps. So I am told that this is the rationale behind not stepping me down to every other week group- because I don't speak to my sponsor often enough and I'm not working the steps. She said, well you know, all these people are dying out here, and we just don't want that to happen, and we want you to continue your recovery after monitoring is over, and we don't want to see you back here, blah blah blah. Basically saying the only way to not relapse was to have an active sponsor and work the steps.
So I was pretty jacked when she told me this. First of all, I pay $25 out of pocket every week for this group. So that's $50 extra that I was planning on saving a month, which maybe isn't a lot to some people, but where I am currently working (and signed a 2 year contract), I am being called off once a week, so I'm only working 24hrs a week on average. So that $50 would help. 2nd, it's pretty discouraging when I have done every single thing asked of me and required of me per this program. So for them to suddenly say, oh yeah you're doing okay, buttt sorry, not good enough...is kind of a kick in the junk. Like, you're telling me my recovery and progress aren't good enough for you? Screw you people, my life is better than it's ever been. And my life is already controlled in almost all aspects by your monitoring program, and now you want to "order" me to work the steps? Just kinda seems like bull crap to me at this point. So now I have to either get a new sponsor or talk more to my current one, and work on the 12 steps...or I'm stuck indefinitely attending my Nurses group every week.
Anyway, pretty trivial stuff, I know. Just had me feeling some kinda way and needed to put it out there.
Feb 13Yeah more hideous new attached to this farce. The idea of compulsory attendance in a group which is founded on voluntary adherence to a set of principals is simply asinine. To further compound this whole Alice in Wonderland effect is that the author was honest and simply stated the truth. He's not actively working the steps and isn't the standard holder of a cause he doesn't believe in which would account for 90% of the folks in those rooms which I've been stuck in.