Nurses are Pathetic!!

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I have been reading thread after thread on this forum and I have come to one conclusion. We are all a pathetic bunch. We take abuse that most other human beings would not put up with. We are physically, mentally and emotionally abused by doctors, managers, patients, and families. We work ungodly hours, skip our much needed breaks without pay for months and years on end. And this goes on and on and on. The stories are endless. Then we are all shocked when a nurse who has had enough finally cracks and administers 32 vials of Dilantin and kills a patient. Is this so different than any other human being who finally after years and years of this abuse, just cannot take it anymore? I think not. When are we all going to stand up and demand decent pay, decent working conditions, and respect? Well, the answer is never because we are not a solid group. We have no autonomy or solidarity because we are a weak profession. We pit one against another. We ***** and backstab. We deserve all the abuse that is dealt to us. In nursing school, we are taught to make beds, empty bedpans and clean dentures. Instead we should get vast lessons in how to deal with some of the real issues that face us today. We are understaffed, overworked, pushed to the breaking point. But yet, the martyr instinct kicks in, we get up and go back and endure more of the same. When is enough, enough? When are we all going to come together and and start shouting about our working conditions and wages? We make less than a crew on road construction or a plumber. And look what we do. We are responsible for peoples lives. I went to work down the road as my current employer is union and I felt that maybe the non union hospital down the road would be a better place. Well, it is not, it is worse. 13 nurses have quit in the 6 weeks I have worked there. I won't renew my contract. It is just too unsafe. The hospital is all about profit at the expense of some great nurses. They even charge for an individual bandaid. It is ridiculous. I have decided that as soon as I can afford to, I'm getting out. I will no longer be a member of a profession that eats its young while at the same time, taking unwarrented abuse from unapreciative doctors that we bend over backwards for. Its not about making a living any more, it is about retaining some self respect, free of abuse by doctors, managers and other nurses who have nothing better to do than put a knife in your back the minute you turn around. At least at walmart I won't have to worry about making a life threatening mistake because I'm overwhelmed by what is required of me each day.

I had to write an essay about why I wanted to be a nurse on my appy for school. It was all about the vocational side: honest, useful work that I thought I could do well, and do well for myself in the process. I do not remotely renounce that view, but about halfway through school, when I was beginning to wonder whether I could actually do it, I got the "calling." Looking at all the twists it took to get from carpenter to nurse, it's hard not to feel that God wants me to do this.

Now, I will admit, there are days when I've wondered whether He was mad at me or just had a sick sense of humor, but I have recommended a career in nursing to several friends I care about, not because I've found it to be all fun, all the time (generally, I have to pay admission for experiences like that), but because it is an opportunity to make a decent living with fairly flexible hours in a variety of settings.

I'm a big advocate of maintaining the current system of entry into nursing--ADN, BSN, or Diploma--because it does increase the opportunities for people to improve their lot. A single mom can get a license in 2-3 years and give herself and her family a middle-class lifestyle, with room to advance. A guy like me can make a living and a difference in other people's lives.

A few years ago, before I started nursing school, a patient told me I could go to work at his trucking company and make $50K/yr. At the time, that was a bit better than entry-level nurse's pay. But I figured out I would have to drive a lot of miles to do that. There are other ways to make a living, and nursing for sure is not for everyone. But I like what I do, and I'm starting to get kinda good at it, and I do like the idea that if I took a notion that I wanted to live in New Mexico, I could be pretty sure of finding a job there.

I have to admit, there are nurses I know and respect who seem to lean to the view that our profession is "pathetic." I don't know many working nurses who are too much into the "angel of mercy," stuff. But most are like me--it's a job, and like any job has its pros and cons, good days and bad days. It's rarely easy, but it can be rewarding, and I think I could get pretty tired of standing at the door saying, "Hi, welcome to Wal-Mart." all day.

I love my stupid job.

BINGO!!! Thank You!!! Hallelujah!!! :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

Note to salesman217: Nothing wrong with money as a motivation, but as the sole motivation, I do not believe it would work for very long. You and your classmates had several offers, I'm not surprised - I would be surprised if those were viable offers. Many "health care recruiters" like to have large files of potential candidates. Anyway, I am open to being wrong. Let me know when you get that high paying job. Also, talk to someone in the professions listed, salary.com is not a reliable source.

You need to understand that what works for you motivationally is not what works for everyone. Nursing is a job I can do and enjoy because I like being around people. There are some negatives to be sure, but some of the things that are constantly complained about just don't bother me. For example, last week I worked 68 hours. Several nurses approached me about not letting management use, abuse, and overwork me. From my perspective I'm grateful for the opportunity to make 35 bucks an hour doing OT. From their perspective I'm getting screwed over. You see what I mean about perspective?

Another one is docs yelling at nurses. As a nurse I see the doc as my boss. He/she writes orders and I carry them out. Some bosses raise their voices at underlings when what they consider important doesn't get done. What the heck is so unusual about that? Is it right? Probably not. Is it common? Absolutely. Is it something to give me ulcers? No way. And I've seen the rants of docs I've been warned about. Nothing scarey in my opinion. But that's just my perspective.

As for the money motivation, perhaps this would be helpful for you to understand my position:

Taking care of my family is my number one priority. That's why my boys are homeschooled. That's why my wife can work if she wants or be a homemaker if she wants. Outside of seeing that my sons are morally upright, decent individuals, nothing gives me a greater sense of satisfaction than to be able to spend $600 for driving school for my 17 and 16 year old tomorrow rather than having to say like I have all their lives "we don't have the money". Nothing gives me more joy than to be able to spend $34 for a ticket for my 16 year old son to be able to hang out with the GM of the Cleveland Browns, eat chicken wings, and talk about the upcoming NFL draft. Nothing gives me more joy than to be able to buy my artsy craftsy 16 year old a $60 ticket to the latest comedy play coming through the Cleveland Theatre District. Nothing gives me more joy that to be able to buy my Lego crazy 10 year old a big box of assorted parts and pieces or the latest Lego Star Wars set.

If I did what I loved I'd be an actor or a professional writer/talker of some kind. But the prospects for getting meaningful compensation for those jobs in my immediate future are few and far between. I didn't plan my life well enough to make that happen, but now that I have kids, they come first. When they are grown and on their own, then I'll quit nursing and become a full time a smart aleck or pianist. On the other hand, probably not. I'll probably go to CRNA school so that I can have MORE MONEY to buy stuff for my grandkids (or buy time off to spend with my grandkids). In any case, to me nursing is tolerable most of the time, fun some of the time, and profitable all of the time. I'll take it.

As far as me finding that high paying job, I got hired 6 weeks after passing the NCLEX. There were other job offers in med/surg but I was stuck on ICU and waited out for the position I wanted. I make $22.50 per hour. To compare, my brother has a bachelor's in accounting and an MBA in finance. He works in corporate finance as an analyst and makes a salary of around $65k per year. Payscale.com says a Sr. Financial analyst makes about $80k. I don't think my bro is a Sr. yet.

My brother works about 50 hours per week. If I work 48 hours per week I'll make $60k. No bad for 20 months of schooling (the length of the program that I completed in 16 due to a few previous credits) versus his 6 years. If I work 60 hours per week I'll make a little over $80k. To me that's a good deal. Plus when my brother got laid off a few years ago, it took him almost a year to find another job. The "professions" are like that. I've got another friend with an MBA and a law degree who commisserates with his law school buddies about the difficulty of finding a decent gig. Many go to work as prosecutors for the city starting out at about $35k. For the forseeable future, nursing will allow me to make a decent living, work all the OT I want, and never have to worry about being out of work for any appreciable amount of time.

I don't have any idea why you think these offers are not viable offers. Of all the people I graduated with who've passed the NCLEX (about 18) all of them got jobs in the specialty they wanted in the hospital of their choice. Maybe in a few years they'll be crying the blues. But to me, it's all good. After 3.5 months, I'm as happy as a clam.

Specializes in Critical Care Float - ICU / ED / PACU.

If you really feel that way - then maybe you should get out of the profession....

Possibly sounds like you didn't have the right motivation for going into the profession in the first place. It's about making a difference in someone's life, and helping others selflessly...... not money, not incentives, not respect......

you would probably be better off doing something else, and quite frankly, so would your patients. I'm sorry this profession was not what you thought it would be. And that's my :twocents:

I am in clinicals but I haven't been treated with disrespect because I treat people with respect.....for the women and men who hate their job then I truly think that you are in the wrong profession.....if you can't deal with it then maybe wal-mart is the job for you, I know that when I become a nurse it is not going to be easy but I am not going to be negative either.....I feel that if you pray and ask Our LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST he will help you in everything you do.....

Yeah, just wait. Your in CLINICALS. It different when you're really a nurse. Actually, in my experience, its the nursing students who think nursing is going to be one big sweet cup of tea because they are going to be little miss suzie happy nurse that often get feed up with it the fastest.

Nursing is though, and no matter how great you are (or how much you love jesus) there will be doctors, pts, families and coworkers that treat you with disrespect.

And can we please leave the preaching comments for the religious websites. This is a nursing forum, with nurses who have various religous beliefs. Thanks.

Specializes in L&D, Surgery, Case Management.

I agree with the previous poster ....... How dare you lump all nurses as pathetic. I know I am a great nurse as are most nurses. You need to support the profession or get out....:nono:

Specializes in Public Health, DEI.

By definition, abuse is never deserved.

I am a very late responder to this post...I would never say that "nurses" are pathetic, but I think the basic structure of nursing is truly dysfunctional---as bad as any family can be. I am only in 8 months, and I am leaving the bedside for a different type of nursing position so that I will not leave nursing altogether. I agree with Lorster that there is a complex "martyr" syndrome that has long and deep roots in the history of the profession and that enables some of the ridiculous patterns of behavior and working conditions that nurses seem, on the whole, willing to put up with. But the price of that is the "horizontal" abuse we meet upon one another if we are not very vigilant, and the support we deny one another on an almost daily basis. Yes, these are generalizations, but they have a good deal of general truth to them, despite the fact that most nurses do love their work, and many nurses (though fewer and fewer as time passes and the nursing crisis deepens) have very good working conditions and job satisfaction. There can also be a pure and free sense of sacrificing in a healthy way for our patients, but "healthy" and "free" are definitely the operative concepts here: service to our sick and vulnerable is not the same as slavery within a profit-driven system that vlaues little else but the bottom line. I remember having a very odd and confusing conversation with one of the verteran nurses on our unit: after telling her I was thinking of moving on, she jumped to the "what did you think nursing was?" to "the new generation are just lazy" and then "why not do an exit interview and let them know what's going on up here?" It is obvious that she is really conflicted within herself: an excellent nurse with incredible dedication, but unable or unwilling to face the fact that the profession is taking serious hits from all sides, with even the most committed finding themselves frustrated, exhausted and disillusioned. So I think I understand what Lorster is saying, even though I would say it differently. Suzanne Gordon's work has been immensly helpful to me in reflecting on why this work has become so conflicted and intense (in the wrong ways). Nursing will ALWAYS be hard work, but there is a great deal about the hardness that can be changed.

Nursing will ALWAYS be hard work, but there is a great deal about the hardness that can be changed.

there ya go.

there is much that is within our control.

leslie

Specializes in Tele,CCU,ER.

Lorster,

Instead of finding ways to describe how pathetic nurses are, (which we are not. Maybe you see yourself and those you work with to be that!!!) tou should actually make a change and start with yourself...maybe other will follow....

Specializes in NICU, Peds, ICU/CCU, Cathlb,ER, Flight.

Lorster,

I'm feeling for you. As a young nurse, I felt pathetic also, & I knew it. Having Dr's point their fingers in my face & back me up against the wall activated an anger about my apathy. After having 2 children I started standing up for myself. I love helping my co-workers & have always been kind to new nurses, whether experienced or not. I have tried very hard to not be like some of the older nurses who were nasty to me. This is my payback to them, how I am now.

I've done alot of inner work, to become stronger. (I had to or I was going into landscape & design.) People who enter this profession for the money won't last.

As the political climate has changed I find that what is pathetic about our profession is the administrators & the people they choose as managers. This dysfunctional health system of the "haves & have nots" is pathetic. The lack of personal responsibility that we see in many of our patients is pathetic. The inequality of pay is pathetic.

Please take care of yourself & find a stress reliever that will help. Sometimes we just need to crash & burn. I hope you have a nurse-friend to talk with about this. :redbeathe

Specializes in Emergency Room.

reading these posts i am absolutely shocked. i have NEVER and i repeat NEVER been treated like some of these nurses describe. i think in general nursing is a hard job, but not the worst. you have to pick the right place to work and you have to stand up for yourself. the irony of the whole salary issue is people say nurses get paid so bad but apparently that's not true, because if most nurses could find a job that paid what they get now they would be gone in a heart beat. so what do you do??? you try to make the best out of a bad situation, you find a better job or you do what is necessary to advance yourself. when i was a student and did my clinicals on the floor it was so obvious that that's where most of the burn out came from. i could not get over how bad the working conditions were. the nurses in more specialized areas seem to have more backbone and their working conditions were better. if a doctor ever treated me like what some people said in these posts he better get ready to deal with HR for harrassment. this whole issue saddens me because we need nurses. without good nurses the patients will die.

Hi, again...

When I said that there are "hard things" about nursing that can be changed, I wasn't necessarily saying that this is all up to each individual nurse. There are huge systemic problems that are beyond the control of any one person; that's why it can be accurately called dysfunction---it's a structural-attitudinal problem. I don't feel pathetic as a nurse, and I don't think nursing is pathetic, but I do feel a great deal of anger and frustration (and a certain powerlessness) when I see some of the foolish decisions, made "at the top," that translate down to the bedside in very real, dangerous ways: understaffing to save money is the biggest. And if you're lucky enough to work where staffing is really adequate to patient load and acuity, then always remember that there are THOUSANDS of other nurses who are not so fortunate, and who are burning out before their time, or so heartsick at the dangers of unsafe staffing that they cannot, in conscience, stay at the bedside any longer. The problem is very complex, and I think the first two rules if we want to better the profession and fight for it are: empathy (many nurses are suffering unjustly, even if I am not) and awareness (of the connection, for example, between safe care and nurse staffing, respect for nursing, nurse empowerment, etc). Again, I recommend Suzanne Gordon's important research on nursing---her books are very accessible and thought-provoking.

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