nurses hide from high-needs pt

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Today I had a bariatric-size patient on med-surg floor. CA pt comes in for BSO. Large vertical abd incision dehisces and resists healing. Her health is not improving after a month in hospital and a short stay in ICU. She is very high maintenance. She needs to be toileted every 20-30 minutes (diarrhea) but she's unable to get to commode or bedpan without help. It's a 2 person assist (200+ lbs unsteady weight) but she doesn't want us using the lift. She's in constant pain "all over". She's got IV, central line, 2 nephrostomy drains, ilieal conduit drain, O2, and woundvac lines that she keeps tripping over and being upset about. She wouldn't ambulate so she ended up with DVT. Contact precautions because she's now got an infection. Also has a skin yeast infection in her folds because she can't shower or keep clean enough. Bedsore risk due to immobility. Edema isn't improving. Having trouble regulating body temp and needs a fan or a blanket brought to her on and off all morning. In short, she just needs alot of nursing care.

Today, as a student nurse, she was my patient. For the first time in this facility, I felt like I could not find my primary nurse or my aide. For my entire shift, I saw my aide once and then I swear she hid from me because I could NOT find her anywhere. After talking to my classmates who had her over the past few weeks, turns out they commented the same thing: nurses HIDE from this one patient. At one point my primary refused to get me pt's pain meds because nurse was "too busy", and she sent me to go beg help getting the med out of the Pyxis from another section's nurse. What was my pt's nurse doing that was so important? She wandered off to watch a new product demo at the other end of the unit when a vendor wandered through.

So, to use this as a learning opportunity, I had some questions:

Is there a good way of addressing it so that this pt gets the level of attention she needs? Was it a hospital policy issue (# pts per nurse) or something else? Is this common in some hospitals to treat a high-needs pt the same way as everyone else, not allowing for the extra attention she needs?

Any tips on dealing with pt when you can't get a helper but she's a 2 person assist -- but she throws a fit about the lift sling. She's also having explosive diarrhea, so even if I used the lift to get a commode or bedpan under her, I have no way by myself to lift this large woman off the sling enough that she can access the commode. She refuses to stay on the commode more than 5 minutes because commode is not bariatric-sized and pt states "it's too uncomfortable", so we'll get her back in bed, and 10 minutes later she starts asking for the commode again.

Any words of wisdom for me? Right now I feel disturbed to see a patient who needed care so much being avoided as the 'problem' patient. Was the staff at fault? Or where they good people just overwhelmed by the situation, and it's management's fault for not staffing things better?

If you were her primary nurse, is there anything you could do to improve her overall situation? Could you call a case worker or your supervisor to share concerns?

Specializes in Neuroscience/Neuro-surgery/Med-Surgical/.

How about PT working with the patient on increasing her upper body strength and using a lift bar above the bed to help her on/off the bedpan? How about PT/OT working with her on bed mobility so she can turn her self to one side using the bed rails while the RN/tech puts the bed pan under her? These seem like reasonable goals, and limits that must be set when staff is not available.

Of course, a rectal tube or zassy (as our facility calls it) can also do wonders for relieving staff from being in the room every 20 minutes, and better for the skin that is at high risk.

Specializes in Critical Care; Cardiac; Professional Development.

We have always placed the patient in Trendelenburg briefly to let gravity assist in moving them with the patient is extremely obese. It definitely helps.

Thank you all for your feedback!!!

She was assigned to me again for day #2. 24 hours later the filthy central-line dressing that I wanted to change but could not do w/o my instructor on day #1 was still there. Peripheral IV site was painful and very visibly swollen & bruised, and this also didn't just happen in the 15 minutes since I came on the floor, so why didn't anyone notice?

I am just wondering why pt with central line still needs peripheral IV?

Ileostomy bag was wrong type and had bad seal, so it was leaking blood down her side & into her bedding.

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If pt has ileostomy then how come she was having explosive diarrhea for which she needed to be transferred to bed side commode:uhoh3:.

If the PICC's not a power one, then she may have had a PIV put in for contrast. Or it could be that she only has a SL PICC and she needed blood or a second ABX or more fluids or even electrolytes, given all she's got going on.

I know that with C. diff they tend to let it run for a while (pardon the pun) but really, at some point her electrolytes and fluid balance will be so out of whack someone will need to do something. And while I know exactly why and how we hide - and I think it's safe to say we've all done it (and I'm not judging anyone for it) - if the dressing on the PICC is in that state, there's no excuse for that. We can't and shouldn't cater to their every whim, but that's just basic nursing care.

Specializes in Rehabilitation.

If you pads aren't big enough.. you need a draw sheet. just take a normal top sheet, fold it in a half and put in under the patient. When moving the patient up.. tell her she HAS to bend her knees and push. Also, put the foot of the bed all the way up.

If you don't have the supplies, tell the charge nurse. She may not know, and would be able to get you what you need.

And yes, there are some patients what will drive you crazy if you let them. You don't let them by taking care of you important duties first and then, helping them with there none vital needs when you can.

Specializes in CICU.

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