Nurses fighting for everyone

mazy · Aug 6, 2011

Any chance ever that National Nurses or any other Nurse advocacy organization will ever recognize the voices or value of LPNs in this dialogue?

Ruthfarmer · Aug 6, 2011

Thank you for bringing this effort and this organization to my attention.

allnurses Guide · Aug 6, 2011

Any chance ever that National Nurses or any other Nurse advocacy organization will ever recognize the voices or value of LPNs in this dialogue?

This is for everyone who wants to help do this for everyone. I'll post to update an old thread regarding labor unions & nurses. - https://allnurses.com/nursing-activism-healthcare/lpns-unions-help-389510.html

Jobs at living wages to reinvest in America.
Equal access to quality, public education.
Guaranteed healthcare with a single standard of care.
A secure retirement with the ability to retire in dignity.
Good housing, and protection from hunger.
A safe and healthy environment.
A just taxation system where corporations and the wealthy pay their fair share

Laurie52 · Aug 7, 2011

"A just taxation system where corporations and the wealthy pay their fair share"

What exactly is their fair share? Paying their fair share has become the election buzz word in Wisconsin but no one can tell me what the fair share is.

allnurses Guide · Aug 7, 2011

From page 9:

A Wall Street sales tax-how it works, who it affects
* Equivalent to sales taxes Americans pay for most goods and services; no similar tax exists on Wall Street transactions.
* Targets major banks, investment firms whose rampant speculation caused the 2008 economic crash and were rewarded with bailouts and bonuses. Financial giants Citigroup, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, and Morgan Stanley alone account for almost 25 percent of the total overall global market share volume of currency trades.
* Does not affect normal consumer activity including use of ATMs, debit card purchases, or obtaining a home loan. Minimal impact on ordinary investors, stock trades just a small portion of all trades.
* Could raise as much as $350 billion every year with revenues available for creating jobs, and supporting education, healthcare, housing, retirement security, and other basic needs.
http://nurses.3cdn.net/9851854d0cf529f82d_ly4m6ry65.pdf

Laurie52 · Aug 8, 2011

I would respectfully disagree with you. Any taxes on wall street would be passed on to the consumer. Credit would be much more expensive and any investments that I have would be taxed. I already pay significant amounts on income tax which I am happy to pay since I live in the greatest country in the world. I also feel that everyone who has income should pay income tax. Rather than having a complex tax code, I would rather have a flat tax of a certain portion of income--somewhere around 10-20%.

Social security was never meant to the sole income during retirement but as a supplement to savings acquired during working years.

nicurn001 · Aug 8, 2011

I am happy with the idea of a flat tax , but I think it should be a sales tax .

We can all find ways of diminishing our taxable income , but most of us spend upto ( and some above ) our income level . It is also often in the interest of those whom we purchase from to accurately record their sales either to please their shareholders with their income growth or to maintain the income of the small business owner .

As in most countries that have this form of taxation the only thing I would exempt is food from the tax .

scecile · Aug 8, 2011

To me, this is a staggering figure: 42 percent of large U.S. companies paid no U.S. income taxes for two or more years the past decade.

Fair share means that large corporations and CEO's need to pay taxes just like everyone else. The government is giving them a legal pass when tax-paying Americans are struggling.

You can learn more at www.mainstreetcontract.org

Chico David, BSN, RN · Aug 10, 2011

Regarding flat tax and national sales tax: these have been promoted for a long time and are just one more way of continuing to shift more and more of the tax burden away from the wealthy and onto everyone else.

When I was a kid in school, I was the rare person who actually paid attention in class. I remember distinctly being told that the great strength of America was that we were a largely middle class country without the great class distinctions and inequalities that many other countries had. And back then it was true. In those days, the CEO of a large corporation made an average of 30 times what the average worker made. And they were still quite rich. Now, they make over 300 times what the average worker does and whine about not having enough. Conservatives tell us that any increase in taxes on the rich is a "job killer". But back in the 50s - the Eisenhower years - the top marginal tax rate was 90% and it seems like most people had jobs. It's what, 32%? today.

I also don't get why money you make by investing your inherited wealth should be taxed at a lower rate - 15% - than money you make by busting your butt working. Or why hedge fund managers - just the top 25 of them (that's 25 people!!) made 22 Billion last year - should be taxed at half the rate of an experienced nurse. If they were taxed at the same rate as a nurse it would bring in an additional 4 billion to the government a year, just from those 25 people.

It's also a hackneyed old argument, promoted by the rich corporate types, that we can't tax them more, they'll just pass it on to their customers. But this is directly counter to much of the free market doctrine that many of those same folks promote. According to free market theory, which actually is right sometimes, some one of them who is a more efficient and leaner operator will chose not to pass it on to their customers, run on a slightly smaller margin in the process, gain market share by doing so, and force all the others to follow suit. By the way, the financial transaction tax proposals that I've heard are on the order of 1/20th of 1%. An amount so small that someone buying stocks to hold for investment would never notice it. The only people really affected would be the people who trade hundreds or thousands of times a day in computer driven trades that often destabalize markets and cost the rest of us money. It's not the investor but the speculator this tax would make a difference to. And it was that same crazy speculation that played a big part in bringing down the economy and getting us into this mess.

Laurie52 · Aug 10, 2011

"Regarding flat tax and national sales tax: these have been promoted for a long time and are just one more way of continuing to shift more and more of the tax burden away from the wealthy and onto everyone else."

Why shouldn't the tax burden be paid by everyone? We all live in this country and are all given the same freedoms and opportunities. We should all pay income tax. Almost half of those making income in this country don't pay income tax and I don't think that is fair.

nicurn001 · Aug 10, 2011

Laurie 52 as I am no doubt , you are aware not everything in life is fair eg. you pay tax whilst others don't.If you want everybody to pay their fair share you will have to ensure everybody can and is recieving an income .

While many give the example of family finances as an example of how government should live within its budget , they miss a point that in a family the major income earner pays a greater portion towards the bills the family bills , so yes lets have family values in government budgeting (by maintaining the progressive taxation system that helped make the USA great in the past ) .

Chico the only reason I feel comfortable with the use of a sales tax is because it is so hard to avoid , why be wealthy if you cannot live and spend your wealth ?. Also because the vendor controls the reporting of purchases you can't hide what is spent .