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I'm still the "new kid on the block" with a little over 1.5 years experience, all on a medical-oncology unit. I'm struggling with staffing, and how it clearly has nothing to do with the acuity of the census. After basically being told to shut up and deal with it, because it's just the way things are and nothing is going to change, I'm curious about others' experiences and staffing conditions. A brief survey to open discussion:

1. What type of unit do you work on, and in what state?

2. What is your nurse patient ratio, and how does it change between day-evening-night shifts?

3. How many supporting staff (nursing aides, patient care techs, assistants, secretaries etc.) do you generally have to help?

4. Do you have a charge nurse, and what are his/her responsibilities and duties?

5. Do you feel your staffing ratios are adequate (generally speaking - I know we all have good days and bad days) for your usual census?

To start on my end...

1. Medical-oncology unit (primarily). Our hospital recently closed the surgical unit due to frequent drops in hospital census. Surgical patients now are sent to the medical unit, and medical overflow patients are sent to us, or to the overflow unit associated with our telemetry unit. We also occasionally get surgical patients.

2. Day shift 5:1, evening shift 6:1, night shift 7 or 8:1. That being said, I've occasionally had 6 patients on D shift, or 7 on E shift.

3. 95% of the time we only have 1 aide for the entire unit (up to 23 beds). Every once in a while (rare enough to be a pleasant surprise), we will have 2 aides. We always have a secretary on D shift, but maybe 50% of the time on E shift. Night shift will have 1 secretary that travels between the units.

4. We do have a charge nurse. While they are reevaluating what the role requires, currently the charge nurse keeps tabs on every patient, including most of the major and important details of each patient, and overall plan. Most of them will make phone calls to the doctors if needed. It's sort of a hybrid administrative-floor nurse role. That being said, the night shift charge nurse also takes on a full patient assignment in addition to their charge duties.

5. Most of the time, ratios are not adequate for our normal patient population. We frequently have many total patients, physically demanding patients, and MR patients from the local community home. It's not totally uncommon to finish first rounds 2 or even 3 hours into the shift, between bathroom trips, total bed changes, medication administration, etc. Occasionally we have days where there will be no aide at all. Are there good days where staffing is adequate? Absolutely. But most of the time general consensus is that staffing is inadequate.

We also don't have a pharmacist on-campus 24-hours a day, so I'm curious how common or uncommon that is? Pharmacy is available from 7a-11p Monday through Friday, and I believe 7a-7p on weekends. So if we need a medication "off hours," the order must be verified by a central pharmacist 2 hours away, then *most* medications can be obtained from our house-manager.

Specializes in Emergency, Trauma, Critical Care.

1. What type of unit do you work on, and in what state? ER; California

2. What is your nurse patient ratio, and how does it change between day-evening-night shifts? It's 1:4, if you have a very sick patient/ICU it's supposed to be 1:2 but not always, depends on staffing. Usually staffing is more scarce at night.

3. How many supporting staff (nursing aides, patient care techs, assistants, secretaries etc.) do you generally have to help? We have techs, but they are stuck stocking, transporting patients upstairs, and other misc jobs for other departments, so most of the time it's just us.

4. Do you have a charge nurse, and what are his/her responsibilities and duties? Our unit is huge, 66 beds, so it's not uncommon for them to be mostly in the "box": directing things.

5. Do you feel your staffing ratios are adequate (generally speaking - I know we all have good days and bad days) for your usual census? I'd say it's 50/50. Depends on if you're lucky to have good coworkers on who have your back. Unfortunately, when I walk into a pod and see my coworkers, I know if my day is going to severely suck or if everyone around is going to pull together and we can take on anything. I suppose that's most places though.

I'm eagerly starting a new position where hopefully it has more of the teamwork I desire, s I feel it's super essential in nursing to be part of a team as opposed to this "everyone for themselves" attitude.

Specializes in ER, Trauma, Med-Surg/Tele, LTC.

1. What type of unit do you work on, and in what state?

Med-Surg/Tele at an LTACH in California

2. What is your nurse patient ratio, and how does it change between day-evening-night shifts?

1:5 no tele, 1:4 with tele, 1:10 partnered with an LVN no tele, 1:9 partnered with an LVN with tele, although only up to 4 of those patients may have tele.

It does not change between shifts. California has mandated ratios and we are almost always assigned up to ratio no matter the acuity at my facility.

3. How many supporting staff (nursing aides, patient care techs, assistants, secretaries etc.) do you generally have to help?

1 nursing aide for every 8-10 patients.

1 monitor tech/unit secretary if there are tele patients on the unit, no unit secretary if no tele patients.

4. Do you have a charge nurse, and what are his/her responsibilities and duties?

Yes. They keep track of everything going on with all the patients and assist the nurses with anything they might need help with, such as being the nurse assisting the MD during a bedside procedure in lieu of the assigned nurse.

5. Do you feel your staffing ratios are adequate (generally speaking - I know we all have good days and bad days) for your usual census?

I think the ratios are adequate. However, at my facility they generally do not assign based on acuity. Assignments are made based on room location so that all of a nurse’s patients are near each other and nurses don’t have patients spread out throughout the unit. One nurse may potentially end up with all heavy, complicated patients while another may end up with an extremely easy run because only room location, and not acuity, is considered. But who am I kidding? It’s an LTACH, they’re almost all complicated patients.

Specializes in Cardiac.

1. Type of unit - Cardiac Progressive unit in GA

2. Nurse patient ratio - 4:1 on days and nights, sometimes on nights we take 5, but very rarely.

3. Support staff - We don't have techs due to the acuity of the area. The hospital believes an RN should be responsible for all aspects of pt care. From 8am-10pm we have a unit secretary. We also always have a monitor tech.

4. Charge nurse & responsibilities - 2 charge nurses on days, 1 on nights. On nights, charge is responsible for chart checks, reviewing pt medication lists, double checking drip calculation, doing admissions/transfers/discharges, and paging the doctors if necessary.

5. I feel that we are adequately staffed 99% of the time. On nights, occasionally we are short and have to do charge on our own pts, but this is rare. Also, I work on an amazing unit where if you have a tough group and need help, someone always is willing to help out. We don't just let someone drown out there, lol. And this really makes all the difference in my opinion!

Specializes in Pediatrics.

Pediatric

1:3 days 1:4 nights....in a pinch we can go 1:5 if we have an aide paired with us

CNA's depend on census usually 1, but they get pulled to sit

Charge nurse may have 1pt with low acuity, they manage staffing, pt placement resource to the floor nurses, respond to codes

Feel we are staffed well.

1. Supposed to be medical oncology, but more of a medical tele floor that happens to do chemotherapy - we get anyone who has had cancer even if they aren't in the hospital for that (i.e. UTI but has hx of prostate cancer 10 years ago) - Southeast US

2. 1:5 days, 1:6 nights - hopefully - sometimes it's 1:6 on days too, charge nurse may take 3 patients at times if we are short to keep everyone at 6.

3. 4 techs days, 3 techs nights, monitor tech, secretary (most of the time - sometimes an aide does it if we have an extra).

4. Charge monitors admission for bed placement, difficult IVs, updates daily plan for pts (i.e. - who is possible discharge), pt assignments - usually by room number, not accuity.

5. If I only have 5 pts I'm usually ok with ratios, however, we give a lot of insulin, blood, platelets, magnesium, and chemo which means LOTS of extra vitals checks/supervision/meds. I generally never have just 5 which makes things hard to spend any quality time with your patients. Night nurses are responsible for chart checks as well. We have way too much double/triple charting where I work.

Specializes in Med-Surg and Neuro.
Type of unit: M/S observation unit

Ratio: all 3 shifts 1:4

Supportive staff: 1 aid for 12 patients

Charge nurse: yes, it is one of the 3 staff RN's and a unit supervisor

I personally do feel that we are adequately staffed :)

I'm dying of jealousy.

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