Nurse is in demand profession?

mrsinister · Jul 24, 2008

yes it is true. global demand for nurses is declining and yet the supply is ballooning. i think nursing is reaching its saturation point. at least here in pi

lenjoy03, RN · Jul 24, 2008

Hmmm... let me see... For me its still in demand depends on the country. Like for example. here in the Philippines, actually its still in demand. But the budget for hiring these nurses are very low. Since there are already oversupply of RN, hospitals of course tend to be picky and take advantage of the situation wherein RNs need to pay for the training. In other countries, I must say that its still in demand. But Hospitals demand experience from own country.

retronurse23 · Jul 24, 2008

Yeah, its true because of oversupply of graduates and the retrogression in the US, majority of the nurses who have passed the licensure examination for the US cannot leave as of now, thus many nurses cannot be accommodated in many of the tertiary hospital. what's the result many of the newly licensed nurse are having their volunteer program, in which they have to pay to be able to work, pathetic isn't. And the sad part of which is these volunteer programs don't even count as working experience when you're applying for job abroad. I myself have experienced this first hand, just got a job from a tertiary hospital and I must have applied to every hospital you can think of.

My advice for those who still wants to pursue nursing is, dont even bother try other profession, but if its' the profession that you want to pursue, good luck and just hope that all things will be better after you graduate.

Daly City RN · Jul 25, 2008

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Obviously the current job situation for nurses in the Philippines is very bleak indeed. Wait a few more years when the current crop of 950,000 student nurses graduate from Philippine nursing schools, that's when the sh*t will hit the fan.

Here in the U.S. there are still many regions of the country experiencing shortages of working nurses. In our huge medical center here in the San Francisco Bay Area , California there have been numerous days and nights when we couldn't find enough registered nurses to staff the units adequately. The state of California mandates California hospitals to give med-surg. nurses no more than 5 patients each. Therefore oftentimes many patients wait in the emergency department for up to 24 hours waiting for open beds and adequate nursing staffing.

The aging of the U.S. population will demand and need more nurses in the immediate future. Due to the economic recession this year many Americans are studying to become nurses and they will naturally fill the nursing job vacancies. The U.S. therefore will need less foreign-grad nurses.

Filipino nurses should not think that they are automatically entitled to a U.S. working visa as in the past. Our hospital, to my knowledge, has not hired a freshly graduate RN from the Philippines over the past two years or so. Filipino nurses who do not have a U.S. petition from a relative in the U.S. may find it very difficult to come and stay in the U.S. legally.

Middle Eastern countries and Australia/New Zealand are other options.

Better hurry up before those 950,000 student nurses join the current crop of unemployed Filipino nurses looking for overseas nursing jobs!

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suzanne4, RN · Jul 25, 2008

I do not interpret it the same that many of you are doing. If there are no jobs, then there is not demand for that profession. It does not matter what is happening there, but if you cannot get a job, then there is no demand there. Your country is over-saturated with nurses as well as 950,000 enrolled in school there now.

There is no way that even a small percentage are going to get jobs anywhere in the world, there is no country that is just going to take nurses at this time. There is also the retrogression with the US, essentially a hiring freeze for the EU, and that includes the UK as well as France and Spain.

Other countries that do take graduates from there have very strict requirements before they will even consider someone, and most want passing of the NLE as well as paid work experience.

If one cannot get a job, then there is not a demand for that training in your country. Over saturation means that there are way too many.

retronurse23 · Jul 25, 2008

So it's near to impossible to work in the US as of now? Well that sucks because many of the nurses here, including me have passed the NCLEX and many other foreign examination which have entitled us to secure a visa screen, and I also have been hired by a US hospital and promised me that they would petition for me to get an immigrant visa so as to work for them.

Well that's not fair now is it? because we have invested not only out time, money but also our effort to pass those examination.

spongebob6286, BSN, RN · Jul 25, 2008

At this time, they say that nursing course is not already in demand because of over supply nursing graduates...It is true?thanx a lot!God bless!:heartbeat

in the phil. i dont think its still in demand.. the supply is so high with zero demand.. :nono: :nono:

suzanne4, RN · Jul 25, 2008

So it's near to impossible to work in the US as of now? Well that sucks because many of the nurses here, including me have passed the NCLEX and many other foreign examination which have entitled us to secure a visa screen, and I also have been hired by a US hospital and promised me that they would petition for me to get an immigrant visa so as to work for them.
Well that's not fair now is it? because we have invested not only out time, money but also our effort to pass those examination.

It is not a point of being fair, agencies and employers never have issued visas, and they never will. That is done by the US government and if there are more applicants than visas, then there is a retrogression in place.

And the other thing that you need to be aware of that by passing the exams and even having a petitioner, there has never been any guarantee that one automatically will get a green card, and this is even more so now.

The US has been under a retrogression for the past two years so not sure when you took your exams or started the immigration process.

And you also need to be aware of the fact that if the hospital that has hired you changes management in the future and before you get your visa, or have a chance at it, then things could change and they could cancel out everything if they decide that they do not have a need at that time. We see this over and over again.

The US government is not required to accept all that apply to work here, your country will not permit an American or anyone from any other country to even get licensed there. So you need to take that into consideration as well.

Daly City RN · Jul 25, 2008

So it's near to impossible to work in the US as of now? Well that sucks because many of the nurses here, including me have passed the NCLEX and many other foreign examination which have entitled us to secure a visa screen, and I also have been hired by a US hospital and promised me that they would petition for me to get an immigrant visa so as to work for them.
Well that's not fair now is it? because we have invested not only out time, money but also our effort to pass those examination.

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Let me repeat what I had previously written: don't think that you are entitled to a U.S. visa simply because you are a nurse. I can only imagine how you feel but that's the way it is. There are more and more Americans entering the nursing profession and Americans with inactive nursing licenses are rejoining the profession because nursing has become a lucrative profession, and also because the job market for other professions has become tighter.

The Philippines is teeming with unemployed Filipino nurses. There are not enough nursing jobs in the world to absorb so many unemployed Filipino nurses. The European Union has shut down its door to foreign nurses, and as I had mentioned before, Australia and New Zealand are not big enough to absorb all of the hundreds of thousands of unemployed Filipino nurses. Australia has a population of only around 20 million and New Zealand's population is even smaller than Australia's. If the Philippines with a population of around 90 million can't employ its own unemployed Filipino nurses how can anyone expect these two mentioned countries can absorb so many unemployed Filipino nurses?

Let me mention NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement. This agreement between the U.S.A., Canada and Mexico involves trade and commerce but this treaty also makes it easier for English-speaking Canadian registered nurses to come to the U.S.A. to fill higher paying nursing jobs in U.S. hospitals. Our hospital had hired Canadian nurses on a temporary basis in the past to ease the nursing shortage in our hospital. The Canadian nurses are willing to work here in the U.S.A. for several months then they go back home to Canada with a load of American dollars in their luggage. The U.S.A. and the Philippines do not have a similar treaty. If a Filipino nurse, or any Filipino for that matter, does not have a relative based petition, then it would be very difficult for a Filipino nurse to legally come and to legally stay in the U.S.A.

The Middle Eastern countries are tightening up their nursing job markets as well. They now require hospital experience before they hire foreign nurses. This will only make the unemployment rate of Filipino nurses to become even worse as more and more Filipino nurses pass the NLE and join the ranks of the unemployed nurses in the Philippines.

The blaming game starts. We can blame many people (including the student nurses themselves who enrolled in nursing schools anyway even though there are no longer jobs for Filipino nurses out there) and many institutions in the Philippines...but the buck stops at the office of the president of the Philippines.

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suzanne4, RN · Jul 25, 2008

The US only requires the NCLEX exam and the series of English exams, if one has written many others, than that is their issue. And your country requires the NLE, and we are seeing that required more and more in the Us, but that is not an US exam to be able to work in the US.

And it is not a right that someone that takes and passes the exams is automatically going to get a visa for the US, there are many more applicants than there are visas. So supply wins, and it is only going to get harder to get a job in the US.

And if one does not have adequate skills by the time that they have a chance at the green card, then expect not to get approved by the US Embassy. That is just how things are now, and they are going to be getting tighter and not easier around the world.

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As mentioned above, the UK and the rest of the EU is no longer hiring RNs, and most of the others are now wanting at least two years of experience if they are hiring as well as passing of the NLE, so things are going to be much tighter for you.

And Australia and NZ do not have unlimited needs, they still have a set number of visas that can be issued per year, it is far from being unlimited for any country.

If one truly wishes to work as an RN, then go for the training; but if the goal is to do it just to get to another country, then most definitely reconsider what you want to do. And how you are going to do it.

drednag · Nov 2, 2009

The US only requires the NCLEX exam and the series of English exams, if one has written many others, than that is their issue. And your country requires the NLE, and we are seeing that required more and more in the Us, but that is not an US exam to be able to work in the US.
And it is not a right that someone that takes and passes the exams is automatically going to get a visa for the US, there are many more applicants than there are visas. So supply wins, and it is only going to get harder to get a job in the US.
And if one does not have adequate skills by the time that they have a chance at the green card, then expect not to get approved by the US Embassy. That is just how things are now, and they are going to be getting tighter and not easier around the world.
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As mentioned above, the UK and the rest of the EU is no longer hiring RNs, and most of the others are now wanting at least two years of experience if they are hiring as well as passing of the NLE, so things are going to be much tighter for you.
And Australia and NZ do not have unlimited needs, they still have a set number of visas that can be issued per year, it is far from being unlimited for any country.
If one truly wishes to work as an RN, then go for the training; but if the goal is to do it just to get to another country, then most definitely reconsider what you want to do. And how you are going to do it.

I couldn't agree with you more. Thank you for your astute observation. :yeah: