It's Does No Good To Gripe About Nursing

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What I'm saying is that nursing is a profession. So, it's full of people who went to college and when you deal with college-type types there's always a lot of rivalry, competition, narcissism, etc. It's like that in all the professions. I have come to learn that part of being a good nurse, one of the tools a nurse must possess, is the ability to remain above and unaffected by the negativity of the workplace. It should be a 3-semester-hour class they teach that you have to pass a clinical in. All professional environments are negative by nature (Law, Medicine, Accounting, Science, Teaching, etc.).

Because nursing is a profession rather than just a job, you have to be really proactive in your own career. You cannot expect anyone else to help you. They may! But you really can't expect it. So, it does no good to gripe about nursing as a job, because it's not just a job.

If you need training, you need to go in and get it on your own--maybe even on your own time and dime.

You need to avoid any confrontations if at all possible, and when not, you really need to be really professional and blameless.

You cannot burn bridges, so don't set out to expose your supervisors or whistle-blow this or that, or report your colleagues, or anything else.

If you don't like an organization, resign gracefully and for reasons that are perfectly legitimate and positive. YOU WILL NEED your colleagues and supervisors on applications of all types for the rest of your career.

...Now, as I re-enter the nursing profession, let's see if I can take my own advice for once. :sarcastic:

So just accept the status quo, don't ruffle feathers, and leave your opinion/personality at the door? No thank you.

Then what are you going to do? Ruffle feathers by spouting "opinions" and forcing your personality on others? Remember, it's YOU who wants to work with them. It's you who put in the application. If it was the other way around, if you had skills so rare and in demand that they simply had no choice but to do whatever they could to retain you, then you'd be able to ruffle feathers and give your daily opinions without fear of consequence. Without that, what are your choices? Either you will ruffle feathers or you will stifle you desire to do so. Neither is a good option. But what if you just had no desire to ruffle feathers or give your opinion or express your unique personality in the workplace.

And I'm not talking about giving your opinion when it's part of your job to do so. I'm talking about all the other times in the nurses station when its really just part of the chatter that goes on.

This is perfect: this is exactly what I'm talking about. And your final paragraph is perfect to a tee. First you suggest I'm talking about putting patients in danger (which I'm not, of course not) and that makes me look bad and makes you look "morally" superior, and then in your last paragraph, you give the perfect company line. It's actually awesomely stated.

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Sorry, couldn't talk myself out of it.

. . . when you deal with college-type types there's always a lot of rivalry, competition, narcissism, etc. It's like that in all the professions. I have come to learn that part of being a good nurse, one of the tools a nurse must possess, is the ability to remain above and unaffected by the negativity of the workplace. It should be a 3-semester-hour class they teach that you have to pass a clinical in. All professional environments are negative by nature (Law, Medicine, Accounting, Science, Teaching, etc.).

It's just lovely you have developed a perspective allowing you to cope with some of the challenges of your work. However, as you've noticed here, not everyone shares your perspective, nor do they necessarily need to lower their expectations of their colleagues in order to successfully navigate their own work as nurses.

I wonder, though; how did you acquire immunity from the plague of rivalry, competition and narcissism you maintain is universal in "college-type types? You did go to college, right?

ETA: I see from some of your other posts you are considering teaching as a new role. PLEASE don't teach a group of vulnerable students that your negative opinion of your peers is fact.

I wonder, though; how did you acquire immunity from the plague of rivalry, competition and narcissism you maintain is universal in "college-type types? You did go to college, right?

Ah, the subtle hostility in the words of your post; it's so expected. Heck, my post predicts it. And the fact is I'm not immune to it. I've suffered greatly in my career because of it. I'm speaking from experience. The real question is what am I going to do about it now.:barf02:

You all can ignore what I'm saying in my post. Perhaps it's not your experience, or perhaps you're so much a part of it, you don't really see it, like not seeing the forest for the trees. I'm simply addressing those who feel utterly burned out on nursing because of the environment in which they find themselves. So, there's no sense trying to act like what I'm saying isn't true or doesn't happen, because clearly it does. If it hasn't to you, that's fantastic and I wish you the continuing best. :yes:

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This is perfect: this is exactly what I'm talking about. And your final paragraph is perfect to a tee. First you suggest I'm talking about putting patients in danger (which I'm not, of course not) and that makes me look bad and makes you look "morally" superior, and then in your last paragraph, you give the perfect company line. It's actually awesomely stated.

My point is that nurses need to realize that's the environment they are going to work in, and they only have one life to give if they fall on their sword; if they react to the subtle sabotage of coworkers, they will look exactly like what their coworkers are trying to paint them as, and if they just stuff the anger and frustration, eventually, they will burn out and quit.

So, that's why I said below that it's better to know the rules and the lay of the land. And it's not just nursing; it's worse for doctors; much worse for lawyers. In my opinion. :yes:

Alrighty then.

I actually enjoy where I work (for the most part), and as a brand new nurse (yet old lady) who has switched careers, maybe I should switch again to marketing with such perfect company lines.

So if you do get along with your coworkers and don't see these things then ... what?

Seriously, if you think you'll find sabotage in the workplace ... you'll find sabotage. Bullying? You'll find it. Rivalry? You'll find it.

In your OP, you state that "don't set out to expose your supervisors or whistle-blow this or that, or report your colleagues ..." I'm taking it for your word. Take it as "morally superior, " whatever ... but I'm responding to your OP. You don't differentiate: "Sally took a 16 minute break instead of 15, report her!" But if there was something truly reportable, and I went through the appropriate channels as established by my institution (which I already stated in my PP), yeah ... I'm reporting.

You all can ignore what I'm saying in my post. Perhaps it's not your experience, or perhaps you're so much a part of it, you don't really see it, like not seeing the forest for the trees. I'm simply addressing those who feel utterly burned out on nursing because of the environment in which they find themselves. So, there's no sense trying to act like what I'm saying isn't true or doesn't happen, because clearly it does. If it hasn't to you, that's fantastic and I wish you the continuing best. :yes:

The fact that some of us are replying is an indication we are not all ignoring what you're saying.

Nobody has said "it" doesn't happen.

Nobody has said you aren't entitled to your opinion and perspective.

You seem to believe it's true that nursing burnout is caused by endemic "rivalry, competition and narcissism". Some disagree those characteristics are universal, that they are the cause of burnout and that by accepting your perspective burnout can be prevented.

I wonder why it's so hard for you to accept some of your peers see things differently from you.

Ah, the subtle hostility in the words of your post; it's so expected. Heck, my post predicts it. And the fact is I'm not immune to it. I've suffered greatly in my career because of it. I'm speaking from experience. The real question is what am I going to do about it now.:barf02:

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I wasn't asking how you avoided suffering at the hands of your colleagues. I was wondering how you, a presumably college educated man, avoided becoming a nurse guilty of rivalry, competition and narcissism - since you maintain those qualities are universal and we all just need to accept that to avoid burnout.

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What I'm saying is that nursing is a profession. So, it's full of people who went to college and when you deal with college-type types there's always a lot of rivalry, competition, narcissism, etc. It's like that in all the professions. I have come to learn that part of being a good nurse, one of the tools a nurse must possess, is the ability to remain above and unaffected by the negativity of the workplace. It should be a 3-semester-hour class they teach that you have to pass a clinical in. All professional environments are negative by nature (Law, Medicine, Accounting, Science, Teaching, etc.).

Because nursing is a profession rather than just a job, you have to be really proactive in your own career. You cannot expect anyone else to help you. They may! But you really can't expect it. So, it does no good to gripe about nursing as a job, because it's not just a job.

If you need training, you need to go in and get it on your own--maybe even on your own time and dime.

You need to avoid any confrontations if at all possible, and when not, you really need to be really professional and blameless.

You cannot burn bridges, so don't set out to expose your supervisors or whistle-blow this or that, or report your colleagues, or anything else.

If you don't like an organization, resign gracefully and for reasons that are perfectly legitimate and positive. YOU WILL NEED your colleagues and supervisors on applications of all types for the rest of your career.

...Now, as I re-enter the nursing profession, let's see if I can take my own advice for once. :sarcastic:

Just my 2 cents, I feel where you're coming from...

When you discover you're in a hostile work environment with a high school acting bully and her 'fun' squad it's hard not to try to correct the problem by going to your supervisor.

Then work becomes more harrowing when she too joins the bully goon squad. Then who the heck do you report her too?! It's sickening really. You're trying to do your job, ignore the baby bullies, and go home safe daily.

I really don't see as many articles on doctors and attorneys bullying each other in the workplace though I'm sure it has happened many times just not like with nurses. I certainly may be wrong though. Lord knows it won't be the first time.

There are times I wish I would have just resigned gracefully but instead I tried to expose a bully. You are correct though, that didn't work so why not pretend you're leaving to say...travel Europe and see the world. attachment.php?attachmentid=25371&stc=1"I Want to Quit Nursing to Travel" Tips!- Hippie in Heels

One might could have acted like everything was just great. That would be the easy way out for sure. I guess some of us are just need to learn for ourselves the hard way that life ain't fair! No one ever said it would be, right? :banghead::no:

We want to try to correct things, that unknowing to us at the time, aren't going to be changed but at least we tried! You don't know unless you try though.

Good luck getting out there again. More power to you brother!:nurse:

Gosh, I'm having too much fun on this computer pasting pix, etc. I think I may be procrastinating getting ready for the holidays...I have so much to do! Deeeeep, sloooow breath, in and out...

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Sorry your experience in nursing has been so negative. Not everyone has had such a negative experience. Best wishes for you to have happier days as you re-enter nursing.

One might could have acted like everything was just great. That would be the easy way out for sure. I guess some of us are just need to learn for ourselves the hard way that life ain't fair! No one ever said it would be, right? :banghead::no:

We want to try to correct things, that unknowing to us at the time, aren't going to be changed but at least we tried! You don't know unless you try though.

Yes, and that's exactly it: People go into the nursing profession expecting it to be fair and perfect, and it's not. I don't advocate leaving nursing, but rather learning how to ride the waves. Surf rather than sink as it were.

Good luck getting out there again. More power to you brother!:nurse:

Thanks, Wondern. :geek:

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