NP w/no desire for RN?

Specialties NP Nursing Q/A

Well, not so much NO desire...but are there any NP's out there that wanted to become (and had their sights set on being an NP from day 1) an NP with no real 'drive' to be an RN first? My cousin is finishing up her RN-MSN program and never really wanted to become an RN, but she really wanted to become an NP, so she went the RN route to become an NP (which I know you have to do).

I know this is somewhat rare, but wondering are there any other NP's out there that looked at RN as kinda pre-NP school/clinical stuff in order to become an NP? Like, they may not be real thrilled with what they are doing (RN) but they know they have to do it in order to become an NP. Keep in mind I'm not saying you would hate being an RN or hate RN's or anything to that affect, but you dream has been to become an NP and RN school/work is a sort of necessary 'not the most enthusiastic' hurdle?

Just to get you on the right track, the associate degree was created to prepare "technical" nurses...you can't change history. Pts and OTs did the same thing with PT assistants and OT assistants. The clinical time is not a very strong argument once you get the same amount of clinical time. Now you should be ahead with your additional preparation. Every additional course you have taken will be beneficial to you. Therefore, it is against all logic to say that an RN is an RN. And the fact that they all take the same exam or have the same license is a non-issue.

I disagree, your statement does not whole water. A RN IS A RN, they take the same exam. I will not discuss the history, but a RN is not a tech, there are those who would like to make it so a 2 year program would produce techs.

I state again there are those RN's who have more clinical time in the associates program who can run rings around bachelor prepared nurses. Trust me I know. As Far as the exam being a non-issue. That exam is what states whether or not you can wear the RN behind your name legally. I hate to be the one to let you, it makes no difference unless you are going into some sort of area that requires a bachelor and even then a associate degree nurse can get a bachelor in a years time which is only 3 compared to 4 years. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but a Associates prepared RN is just as legal as a Bachelor RN to practice nursing. sorry

I disagree, your statement does not whole water. A RN IS A RN, they take the same exam. I will not discuss the history, but a RN is not a tech, there are those who would like to make it so a 2 year program would produce techs.

All I'm telling you is that the ADN was created as "technical" nurses. That's why I'm telling you it's really good to know history.

I state again there are those RN's who have more clinical time in the associates program who can run rings around bachelor prepared nurses. Trust me I know. As Far as the exam being a non-issue. That exam is what states whether or not you can wear the RN behind your name legally. I hate to be the one to let you, it makes no difference unless you are going into some sort of area that requires a bachelor and even then a associate degree nurse can get a bachelor in a years time which is only 3 compared to 4 years. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but a Associates prepared RN is just as legal as a Bachelor RN to practice nursing. sorry

These are what you cannot use in any ADN vs BSN argument.

1. Clinical time

2. NCLEX

3. Licensure

4. Time required to get either degree (it's number of hours, not time)

5. "We all have 'RN' behind our name and we'll all legal."

6. "A nurse is a nurse."

When you research these items and fully understand them we'll talk again. Sorry to get off track but I hate to see nurses not understand this, particularly if they are going on for an NP.

I will not refute your argument of why the ADN was created because I was not around when it happened such as yourself; and although I have heard that information before, I can not and will not debate that point without some research. Though,that is certaintly not the way it is now. those listings above are exactly what makes a RN an RN in todays society. I am sorry that you are still holding on to old ideas which are very outdated.

I will not refute your argument of why the ADN was created because I was not around when it happened such as yourself; and although I have heard that information before, I can not and will not debate that point without some research. Though,that is certaintly not the way it is now. those listings above are exactly what makes a RN an RN in todays society. I am sorry that you are still holding on to old ideas which are very outdated.

You can drop the idea that I'm outdated, LOL...as I seem to be teaching you! Old as I am, I still go to school...and have taught in both ADN and BSN programs. It might help if you would find a school which teaches both programs and look at the differences. You will see that if there were no differences, then there would be little need for both.

I'll give you some hints to help you with the others:

1. Clinical time is OJT. Should you be a "clinical expert" when you graduate? Most professions think not. During this clinical OJT you are paying a school whereas when you get out you will be paid to do your OJT. You can also take someone will much lessor skill and teach them how to do much of the technical stuff in nursing. Now take two nurses, one with let's say 30 hours of liberal arts and nursing and one with 60 hours of nursing and liberal arts. If you stop both at 200 hours of clinical time, what do you have...one nurse with a lot more knowledge base to draw from. Plain and simple and no argument what so ever here. It is interesting to see that many companies value liberal arts grads above others. And so many complain about those "useless" liberal arts courses in nursing school!

2. NCLEX is nothing more than a measure of entry level skills that show one is safe to practice...that is all...it has nothing to do with what degree you have.

3. Licensure. Each state regulates many professions. Consider your drivers license as it is a good analogy. You have many different educational levels that hold one in their wallet or purse. It is just a piece of paper showing that you know the driving rules for that state and the state can regulate your performance.

I guess I've pretty much answered the others, also. The "RN" means only that you have attained a minimum level of practice in order to be safe...if you pass the NCLEX and get your state license.

It is the educational preparation that sets one nurse apart from another. Even though I have two masters, I find every day that I am learning new stuff (as I work on an FNP) that makes me a better nurse...in spite of 31 years of OJT!

My wife, a school teacher, thinks our educational system is laughable. She is required to have a masters degree and she is not faced with life or death situations every day. What do I tell her???

Helping people isn't worth mentioning to me as I think if you're in this profession, it's a given. I have a hard time believing anyone that says they'd rather work in any role than spend time w/ their family and do what they like to do (golf, fish, boat, etc etc etc). If you have a hankering for helping people then you can use your skills to volunteer if money is no object. But since money is an object (for me and my family at least) I choose to make the most of it I possibly can doing what I think is good and helpful. I don't think it's greedy to want my daughter to do without like I did when I was growing up.

The dorky comment was just a joke... and if you noticed, I included myself in that dorky group as I am posting and responding to some faceless computer beings on a website.

Wow. Your tone sounds a lot like those guys/gals over on the SDN website.

Ok, I went to her site and when I saw her picture with her hand under her chin, I just had to get out of there, LOL!

I know "how' she can teach without any bedside experience...many do...

HOW can she teach without bedside experience?

Specializes in Education, FP, LNC, Forensics, ED, OB.

Krisssy, since you brought up Porifice, how do you think she can teach theory effectively without any bedside experience?

Krisssy, since you brought up Porifice, how do you think she can teach theory effectively without any bedside experience?

I don't know HOW, BUT Zenman knows HOW, so why won't he tell us HOW?

I don't know HOW, BUT Zenman knows HOW, so why won't he tell us HOW?

How...very "badly."

How...very "badly."

Correct me if I am wrong. You are saying that her teaching of her theory on Becoming is bad , because she was never a bedside nurse. Well , that could be. I would have to ask experienced nurses who have taken her course on Becoming - given by her. You and I have not taken the course, so we can't know for absolutely sure.

Maybe I will conduct a reasearch project on this. Can nurses without bedside experience be good theorists and teachers of their nursing theory?

I am not saying that I disagree with you. I am just saying that I don't know the answer to this question, and that your initial answer, when you looked at her picture, sounded rude to me.

Look, I just made the comment , because I thought it related to this thread-NP w/no desire for RN. She did get her RN. She just didn't use it for bedside nursing.

Personally, I am glad I have my RN. I am also glad I was a teacher for 25 years. It gives me certain abilities that relate to nursing very well. These years are going to pass regardless of what I do. I may as well do something that I am reaLY INTERESTED IN. Look, when I get my master's, I may deside to be a bedside nurse. Who knows?

Krisssy

Correct me if I am wrong. You are saying that her teaching of her theory on Becoming is bad , because she was never a bedside nurse.

We're losing something over several posts so let me just say that I think no one should teach nursing unless they have done it. Granted, just teaching theory is probably less of a sin than trying to teach other aspects of nursing but if she had a few years of actual experience how much better could her theory be? When I was working on my master we had to develop our own nursing theory with a partner. It certainly helped for both of us to have "experienced" nursing in this case.

I am just saying that I don't know the answer to this question, and that your initial answer, when you looked at her picture, sounded rude to me.

Posed pictures with your hand by your chin are never flattering!

I'm leaving for north Thailand now for a week so don't get impatient if I don't respond till I get back!

We're losing something over several posts so let me just say that I think no one should teach nursing unless they have done it. Granted, just teaching theory is probably less of a sin than trying to teach other aspects of nursing but if she had a few years of actual experience how much better could her theory be? When I was working on my master we had to develop our own nursing theory with a partner. It certainly helped for both of us to have "experienced" nursing in this case.

Posed pictures with your hand by your chin are never flattering!

I'm leaving for north Thailand now for a week so don't get impatient if I don't respond till I get back!

In my theory class, my group is reading an article written by people from Thailand. The article was translated into English. In the translation, would that cause the article to be sort of rambling and difficult to understand? Is it difficult to translate from Tai to English? The article is called Influence of Selected factors and self-care Behavior on abdominal distention in Patients with Abdominal Surgery, I like the satudy, but my group finds it rambling and difficult to read. I thought it could be from the translation. Is that possible?I am assuming that you speak English and Tai, which isn't right. Do you?

Krisssy

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