November 2009 Visa Bulletin

NurseCubanitaRN2b, BSN, RN · Oct 9, 2009

I wouldn't say that this is a wonderful thing for all American nurses. There are still many US RN's with out a job. Regardless, there are many nurses abroad who are jobless which isn't a good thing.

Silverdragon102, BSN · Oct 9, 2009

Regardless on whether the visas become unavailable this year again or not I wouldn't say it is a cause for celebration. Many nurses all over the world are struggling to get a job regardless on country and gain experience not just nurses in the US.

If it is a dream to move to another country and you are aware of the time frame limitations and current events then hold onto that dream and with a bit of luck it will come true

kempo · Oct 9, 2009

As long as the recession is in place, the VB will probably continue to be retrogressed, and you can bet the EB3 will become UNAVAILABLE even before 2009 ends. For all intents and purposes, the demand for Philippine and other foreign nurses is OVER, and will probably continue to be so for many years to come. The EXCELLENT drop in the nursing enrollment all over the Philippines is a sign that parents are waking up from the dream that has become a nightmare. This is wonderful for US nurses as they will have all the jobs and will help the economy. Hope this trend goes on forever for the good of the US economy and American nurses.
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It is apparent that American nurses does'nt want IENs to work in the US for the reason that it is there job to nurse America and they will have all the nursing jobs available for them. Well, there's nothing to argue about. It's a good thing that it is clear now than reading "posts of concerns" from others giving reasons why they discouraged IENs in America.

I believe that there is no permanent thing in this world and in America (like it is forever). Everything will change because CHANGE is the only permanent thing.

It's a good feeling to celebrate, but not in a way of "adding insult to injuries". With or without American opportunities, life still goes on for foreign nurses.

Daly City RN · Oct 10, 2009

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This is the first time I've read that nursing enrollment in the Philippines has gone down. This is good news and bad news.

It's good news because the students who will NOT be enrolling in Philippine nursing schools will not be, for lack of a better word, "wasting" their time, effort and money because there are no jobs out there for them.

It is bad news as well because it is a reflection of the fundamental problems in the Philippine nursing profession that is unique to the Philippines. When many rich countries recruited tens of thousands of 'experienced' Philippine-based nurses year after year up until a few years ago, the supply of experienced nurses in the Philippines had almost dried up. This attracted a widespread media attention and lo and behold, the enrollment in nursing schools in the Philippines had gone through the roof. Not surprisingly, many new nursing schools opened up to meet the new demand, but as we now know, many of these new nursing schools are sub-standard in quality. These sub-standard nursing schools are producing many poorly-educated nurses. There are now hundreds of thousands of unemployed nurses in the Philippines, many of whom yearn of working abroad for a lucrative nursing job. Who can blame these Filipino nurses if their first choice is the U.S.A. where the 'starting' salary for an RN could be as high as $8,500/month and they can earn up to $10,000/ month after a few years on the job.

The U.S.A. needed and recruited foreign nurses to meet its huge demand for nurses. That was then. This is now. The "Great Recession" in the United States has resulted in many of the Americans losing their free or job-subsidized health coverage. The demand for nurses in the U.S.A. has diminished for the time being. There are reports that many newly-licensed RNs in the U.S.A. are having a hard time landing a job.

It will not be received well by the American public, and by the American nurses in particular, if the U.S. will continue to admit foreign nurses in large numbers during an economic recession. And to make matters worse for the unemployed Filipino nurses, the U.S. had given only a few hundred visas per year to Filipino nurses in the last few years. This is a very small number of work visas available per year compared to the hundreds of thousands of Filipino nurses wanting to come to the U.S.A. And now there is visa retrogression. There is a long wait for a work visa.

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greenjungle · Oct 11, 2009

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This is the first time I've read that nursing enrollment in the Philippines has gone down. This is good news and bad news.
It's good news because the students who will NOT be enrolling in Philippine nursing schools will not be, for lack of a better word, "wasting" their time, effort and money because there are no jobs out there for them.
It is bad news as well because it is a reflection of the fundamental problems in the Philippine nursing profession that is unique to the Philippines. When many rich countries recruited tens of thousands of 'experienced' Philippine-based nurses year after year up until a few years ago, the supply of experienced nurses in the Philippines had almost dried up. This attracted a widespread media attention and lo and behold, the enrollment in nursing schools in the Philippines had gone through the roof. Not surprisingly, many new nursing schools opened up to meet the new demand, but as we now know, many of these new nursing schools are sub-standard in quality. These sub-standard nursing schools are producing many poorly-educated nurses. There are now hundreds of thousands of unemployed nurses in the Philippines, many of whom yearn of working abroad for a lucrative nursing job. Who can blame these Filipino nurses if their first choice is the U.S.A. where the 'starting' salary for an RN could be as high as $8,500/month and they can earn up to $10,000/ month after a few years on the job.
The U.S.A. needed and recruited foreign nurses to meet its huge demand for nurses. That was then. This is now. The "Great Recession" in the United States has resulted in many of the Americans losing their free or job-subsidized health coverage. The demand for nurses in the U.S.A. has diminished for the time being. There are reports that many newly-licensed RNs in the U.S.A. are having a hard time landing a job.
It will not be received well by the American public, and by the American nurses in particular, if the U.S. will continue to admit foreign nurses in large numbers during an economic recession. And to make matters worse for the unemployed Filipino nurses, the U.S. had given only a few hundred visas per year to Filipino nurses in the last few years. This is a very small number of work visas available per year compared to the hundreds of thousands of Filipino nurses wanting to come to the U.S.A. And now there is visa retrogression. There is a long wait for a work visa.
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The wait will be DECADES, and it is time for Philippine nursing students still hoping to move on, and for those about to enroll, forget it if your eyes are aimed on the USA. No way any of you are going to get in with the crisis the USA is now under. And you're right, with so many jumping on the bandwagon who have no real dedication to the profession, many of these products are now substandard. We hope that this downward trend in enrollment in the Philippines will continue to drop and drop, so there will be less jobless nurses who can't leave the Philippines. And so much money and time will no longer be wasted on dreams of a green card.

Silverdragon102, BSN · Oct 11, 2009

Greenjungle, What are your hopes and dreams? Everyone shouldn't give up on their dreams just because of what is happening just be prepared that it may take time. people should only go into a profession if that is what they really want to do not because it will enable them to work in another country.

allnurses Guide · Oct 11, 2009

People with in-demand skills will still be recruited to the US and to other countries. New grads won't - the US has enough in most places. As always, it's an issue of supply and demand.

The gloating over unavailability of visas is very distasteful, greenjungle. The saddest thing about the USA's recession is this "me first" attitude that has arisen.

Mcgyver · Oct 11, 2009

To all Filipino readers,

When all this retrog. is over, we can say to our selves that thru persistence and hardwork that our dreams will happen as long as there is hope!

RetroPinoy · Oct 11, 2009

I don't understand the gloating when the TS himself is affected by retrogression.

Just adding insult to injury.

LiverpoolJane · Oct 11, 2009

Others, including those with a proven 20 year track record of dedication to nursing, such as myself, are affected by retrogression too, I find your comments really distasteful.

The wait will be DECADES, and it is time for Philippine nursing students still hoping to move on, and for those about to enroll, forget it if your eyes are aimed on the USA. No way any of you are going to get in with the crisis the USA is now under. And you're right, with so many jumping on the bandwagon who have no real dedication to the profession, many of these products are now substandard. We hope that this downward trend in enrollment in the Philippines will continue to drop and drop, so there will be less jobless nurses who can't leave the Philippines. And so much money and time will no longer be wasted on dreams of a green card.

NurseCubanitaRN2b, BSN, RN · Oct 11, 2009

They don't need to totally forget about it. They should have a Plan B while they're waiting for Plan A to take affect. There's a hault, but pick up when given lemons and make some lemonade.