News Release: Doctors to Nurses (please read)

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this was sent to me this evening. i think that you need to be aware of it, not sure when and if it will actually go into effect. but it is something that you should know about. at least it will open up some discussion on the topic.

Sorry, but in all of my years of working as an RN in the US, and they are too many to count, I have never come across this. And I have worked with nurses that were physicians in their country way before it became a fashionable thing to do. And just so that you are aware, physician training in many other countries is quite similar to what we do in the US as nurses.

In the critical care areas, there are already standards in place or protocols in most ICUs that give us standing orders on what to do, same as for the ER. So we do many things without the physician even there. Same thing for the Emergency Dept. And on the floors, you will have an entire team there before a minute or two passes, in most cases. And I am sure that we are alot more aggressive than you are in many of the facilites where you are.

In fact, I know that we are. You will need a full orientation to working in the US, it is quite different than from what you are used to. And if anything, with language differences, and they do exist, even in English, it wil take time to get acclimated to working in the US.

Every single doctor that has come from the Philippines as an RN is too busy absorbing all that they can about the new culture. And they are aware that if they overstep their licenses, the Scope of Practice, of their state, they can also lose their licenses much quicker that it took to get it.

So, all that you are doing is setting up a hypothetical issue that has never occurred. Please be careful in what you "think" up. It doesn't work over here. And can be considered demeaning to those that work hard to get to where they are today.

Nice, Suzanne. Almost everyone who migrated to a new country with new ways and culture-- tried to adjust and adapt where they are. Actually, I have a professional title back home before we migrated( not NUR)---but to have a job experience in US plus a toddler with me, I tried to work jobs even if it's out of my education/degree/profession. Did anybody watched Eddie Murphy's movie about "Coming to America?" (nice movie). In my first few months- I worked on retail, groceries and other jobs i've never done before---but with their training i learned. I just tried and enjoyed all my experiences...;)

Yes, i miss my profession cause i'm very good at it - but then, I always tell myself---that when I go back home--i'll always be one.

You know, when you're new in a foreign land - you're a foreigner and your license from your former country is not valid here- Doctors need to take licensure exams/Dentists need to go back 2-3 years Univ. education and invest in studying/getting licensed--more years of their lifetime and more money to spend. So, I don't bother whatever life strategies any person will choose to ---I believe, everyone has a good/valid reason plus for sure, they have their heart into it as they have the willingness to be second coursers and take all the examinations which the first course Nursing graduates did...

I respect everyone's right... ...GOODLUCK!

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You know, when you're new in a foreign land - you're a foreigner and your license from your former country is not valid here- Doctors/Dentists need to go back 2-3 years Univ. education and invest in studying/getting licensed--more years of their lifetime and more money to spend [/b]

licensed physicians in the Philippines dont need to go back 2-3 years in a university education......they just need to pass the US medical licensure exam....but unlike nurses, it is harder to get a green card which would permit you to practice in the US :idea:

God bless to all

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You are still giving second hand information with no specifics.

Supposedly, possibly, that is all heresay and is still no proof.

Because of one incident possibly occuring, please do not say that it will happen with everyone. Funny thing is that nurisng in the US is so different from everything in your country, that the physicians turn RN that I have owrked with, most do not even offer that they were MDs in their won country, and are usually the shyest one on the floors.

Unless you can give actual specifics that can be followed up, please refrain from posting them. Until that time, they are still rumors, and there are thousands that I have heard that have originated in Manila. Every sinlge thing that you can think of.

And yes, there are some problems with fast-track programs but that is also in the US as well, and it happens with some of the second degree people here as well. And they were not physicians or even in medicine.

Not sure what you have against someone that is trying to do what you are trying to do.

Thanks!:lol2: ;)

:idea: Actually, our Fil -doctors are very very good. There's no question about their capabilities, skills and knowledge. I salute to them! --- If only the young sets know about history---many of our past professional MD's/DMD's in US were immigrants__they served as DRS during the war. There may be Chinese/Indian looking Asian doctors in the past- but they don't know these are Filipino citizens previously (Phils is a mixed culture and its people who are mostly highly educated may physically look like Hispanic, Indian , Chinese, or native Filipino-) My dad who is a Filipino was once a resident physician in the past ---US hospitals (already a history) Lincoln Hospital, Petershurg General Hospital ( he's deceased already:o ) - might be 76 yrs old if he's still alive.-----Through time, rules/regulations change concerning practice of profession for US immigrants.

What's so nice about working in US is that there's respect for every person's job no matter what it is---- and there's always room to grow. I'm enjoying my stay here and love to see people who work hard to get the opportunities they look for if they find a way to reach for it. I have great respect for individuals who try to reach their goals--

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licensed physicians in the Philippines dont need to go back 2-3 years in a university education......they just need to pass the US medical licensure exam....but unlike nurses, it is harder to get a green card which would permit you to practice in the US :idea:

God bless to all

Yes. i'm sorry - Physicians just need to take US Med Licensure. Foreign-Graduate Dentists- 2-3 yrs Univ. education then licensure.:mad:

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Hi JONRNMD,

Hi! i figured out you're a physician who took up nursing. Can you help me out - if u had infos abt what's a good school of nursing in manila , laguna or lucen.I have my green card already but then Nursing is a good choice--They say st Dom de Savio is good. pls ideas...tell me..---Kiko helped me with some infos of schools- if u still know others i'd like to know. thanks.

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Yes. i'm sorry - Physicians just need to take US Med Licensure. Foreign-Graduate Dentists- 2-3 yrs Univ. education then licensure.:mad:

They also need to complete an internship again, as well as a residency. They do not get credit for anything that they did in your country, they styart from scratch, just as if they were a new grad. Even if they were a heart surgeon in your countryu, or a neuro-surgeon, they still need to start from the beginning. They cannot just take the USMLE.

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hi jonrnmd,

hi! i figured out you're a physician who took up nursing. can you help me out - if u had infos abt what's a good school of nursing in manila , laguna or lucena--- maybe pag nakaipon na ituloy un... ( how many yrs is your nur prgram?). i'm planning to return june 2006 - 1 yr younger lang ako sa yo- but im bothered abt getting old na...lol...i have my green card already but then nursing is a good choice--they say st dom de savio is good...ano pa kaya tumatanggap ng nurs 2nd courser over 30 yrs old? pls. kung may idea ka...tell me. salamat.---kiko helped me with some infos of schools- if u still know others i'd like to know. thanks.

please edit your post into all english.

tagalog is not permitted on this forum, or anywhere on allnurses.com. we are a us based forum, and have readers from all over the world. please keep 100% of your posts in english, per the terms of service of this forum.

thank in advance.

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They also need to complete an internship again, as well as a residency. They do not get credit for anything that they did in your country, they styart from scratch, just as if they were a new grad. Even if they were a heart surgeon in your countryu, or a neuro-surgeon, they still need to start from the beginning. They cannot just take the USMLE.

hi suzanne, graduates of philippine medical schools are permitted to take the USMLE provided they submit a complete set of transcripts. and yes, a heart or a neuro-surgeon need to apply and complete a residency training AGAIN in the US prior to be able to practice

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i have private message for you nightangle apolonia

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hi suzanne, graduates of philippine medical schools are permitted to take the USMLE provided they submit a complete set of transcripts. and yes, a heart or a neuro-surgeon need to apply and complete a residency training AGAIN in the US prior to be able to practice

You cannot practice without doing an internship and residency all over again. The USMLE is a series of exams, just part of it is done when they graduate, the other part is done after they complete their internship. So they cannot sit for the entire exam until they have been in the US at least for one year and have completed another internship.

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.. it kinda sucks to know that after you've studied for 10 years and slaved thru countless hours, all you get in return is a vegetable basket from a grateful patient or a laugh from someone came back from the brink of death .. plus some loose change that wont even cover the rent...

overworked and underpaid.. whatever shall we do... :lol2:

Those who are opposing doctors becoming nurses are the ones too old to take up nursing ;)

AMEN to you, dilimon....but mind you even those who are above 60's are trying to get into nursing school...why do i knew this things??? because i am one of their classmates. the only difference is that they are MY CONSULTANTS...but we are all equal when we are in school.

ten years ago, when i started med school, i never imagined to becaome a nurse...but we are pushed against the wall (literally).

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