New Grad PDN (Advice, please?)

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I just started a new job as a pediatric private duty nurse right out of nursing school. So, I'm looking for advice (and maybe reassurance) for the veterans here.

There have been a few scheduling problems thus far. I was hired on without a clear schedule. (As a matter of fact, I called Monday to ask about when I'd get one and was informed that I was due to work since the family needed me ASAP! Yikes! Luckily, my shift started later in the day.) During orientation, they hadn't received a schedule from the family so it seemed a bit touch and go. However, I was assured it was a 40/hr a week job.

I got there at my scheduled time (as agreed between myself and patient's mother, based off of her work schedule) and turns out, the patient was at an appointment and didn't come home for another hour and a half. So, a short day. Since the patient's mother didn't work on Wednesday, I asked if I'd be needed. I was told that I wouldn't be (at which time I stupidly shared that I preferred that, since I had a family function I'd like to attend in the middle of the day) and assumed it would be my day off.

Next day (Tuesday), I was asked to accompany the patient and family to an all-day appointment at the local medical center. Another short day. I tried to call scheduling and they were out all day. Cue the major anxiety and sleepless night. However, I called my agency and asked about the effect my shortened hours (upon the time their insurance granted them and my job) and was assured that since the patient's schedule necessitated the short hours, it was fine.

Wednesday, I call scheduling and figure that from one to nine, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday is what the optimal time would be to care for this child. They call the patient's family to confirm.

Cue the callback, in which I was informed I was expected to work Wednesdays as well, even though the mother doesn't work. I'd get this day off, since I discussed it with them family but in the future, I'd work M-F, 1-9. (It sounded like I was made to look like I asked for this day off, which I suppose is arguable.)

My question is this: do all new cases follow along like this? I feel I was thrown into the water and expected to dictate my hours based on need and what they were allowed. Is that normal? I have to admit that it sounds strange to me, but this is my first job and clinicals took place strictly within hospitals.

Another question: is it normal, in this field, to accompany the child to all of her out-of-home appointments? At the moment, she goes to these appointments with family members, but they expressed interest in my presence there.

I feel like I may look disorganized, and I don't want to present myself in this light. Or is it simply that I'm experiencing the same thing that other private duty nurses do?

Also: My patient has seizures that aren't controlled by medications. The family was instructed by the DR to increase the medication verbally, however the only script that I have has a lower dosage. How do I communicate this while charting?

Please help? I'm feeling overwhelmed. I really like this case, but I feel like a chicken with my head cut off.

Specializes in Peds(PICU, NICU float), PDN, ICU.

How is it Medicare/Medicaid fraud to work as a PDN with less than one year experience as a nurse?

Because they require a year of experience to do PDN. They are paying for the services of a nurse with a minimum of a year of experience.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
Because they require a year of experience to do PDN. They are paying for the services of a nurse with a minimum of a year of experience.

Go you have direct in print information from CMS?

According to this link: http://www.cms.gov/Regulations-and-Guidance/Guidance/Manuals/downloads/bp102c07.pdf

Pages 36-56 highlight nursing services; it does not specifically state that skilled nursing services has to be with a clinician that has one year experience, it only specifies that skilled nursing is needed; even student nurses are able to provide services.

Specializes in Peds(PICU, NICU float), PDN, ICU.

Go you have direct in print information from CMS?

According to this link: http://www.cms.gov/Regulations-and-Guidance/Guidance/Manuals/downloads/bp102c07.pdf

Pages 36-56 highlight nursing services; it does not specifically state that skilled nursing services has to be with a clinician that has one year experience, it only specifies that skilled nursing is needed; even student nurses are able to provide services.

I've posted the link before that shows it is required. But I guess if student nurses can do our jobs, we aren't needed. Maybe they could hire CNAs since student nurses that aren't even a CNA can provide our skilled nursing services.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
I've posted the link before that shows it is required. But I guess if student nurses can do our jobs, we aren't needed. Maybe they could hire CNAs since student nurses that aren't even a CNA can provide our skilled nursing services.

First, you didn't post the link in any of your responses HERE.

Next, I'm not sure what you mean by that statement re student nurses; if anything, based on my link being the most updated version; CMS recognizes the ever need for qualified, competent nurses in home health, thus exposing student nurses into a specialty that NEEDS nurses; exposing those new grads into the specialty; if anything that's a PLUS, but hey, it's my experience as a new grad nurse who has done home health successfully as a new grad LPN nine years ago (and worked 7 of 9 years in home health) and was grateful for a BSN program that had a public health rotation that had home health exposure-if anything, nurses ARE needed, but to say that new grads CAN'T fo home health and the agancies are committing fraud is a bit over reaching; because there home agencies that have done so-and even have new grad residencies-successfully; granted we can agree it's not for everybody; however there are many that thrive in this specialty and started as new grads just like any other nursing specialty; the way healthcare is changing, this will no longer be an exception. :no:

I have another link from CMS that STILL doesn't state the 1 year experience for nurses, it is for administrators:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=nursing%20experience%20requirements%20for%20home%20health%20by%20cms&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cms.gov%2FRegulations-and-Guidance%2FGuidance%2FManuals%2Fdownloads%2Fsom107ap_b_hha.pdf&ei=Y787U7ftMaeC0AHO34HICQ&usg=AFQjCNFTwQbqmsz28x6vegsaIehatsiD1g&sig2=uvvKNUuG5w4l4LTlbu4lVg

Specializes in Med/surg tele, home health, travel.
Go you have direct in print information from CMS?

According to this link: http://www.cms.gov/Regulations-and-Guidance/Guidance/Manuals/downloads/bp102c07.pdf

Pages 36-56 highlight nursing services; it does not specifically state that skilled nursing services has to be with a clinician that has one year experience, it only specifies that skilled nursing is needed; even student nurses are able to provide services.

Thanks for posting. I know that agencies require at least a minimum one year experience as a nurse or aide for liability reasons, but I was sure I didn't see anything on my application nor the Department of Medicaid's website about having experience as a nurse.

Specializes in Peds(PICU, NICU float), PDN, ICU.

Thanks for posting. I know that agencies require at least a minimum one year experience as a nurse or aide for liability reasons, but I was sure I didn't see anything on my application nor the Department of Medicaid's website about having experience as a nurse.

The reasons the agencies can't hire if you have under a year of experience is because of insurance. Fraud is when insurance is paying for a service and they aren't really getting it. Its just like if they put a CNA in a nurses job and tell insurance its a nurse. They even require the supervisors to have 2 years of experience. If nothing else, its just plain dangerous for a new grad to do PDN as there is no safety net and too much can go wrong. Nursing school clinicals isn't considered nursing experience by many employers. I've seen job ads where employers post "clinicals don't count towards experience".

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
Thanks for posting. I know that agencies require at least a minimum one year experience as a nurse or aide for liability reasons, but I was sure I didn't see anything on my application nor the Department of Medicaid's website about having experience as a nurse.

:yes: There is no law or policy that states that it is illegal to hire nurses with less than 1 year experience; and most insurance policies follow CMS guidelines. The only fraud insurance and CMS is concerned about is whether an individual is reciving the care that is assigned; if a nurse is needed, then they will allow funding for a nurse and use CMS guidelines when determining who needs to be assigned for care.

The experience is heavily a liability reason; although there are agancies that are advertising in my area that I formally work for that have residencies and will train new grads and nurses transitioning from other specialties.

Despite my previous experience in home care, I STILL had to go through competency training and orient with a nurse in the home whenever I had a new assignment; as well as accepted feedback if one needs additional exposure; however they are one of the longest home health agencies in the business, certified by the Joint Comisssion and is in several states and have been in the buiness for about 40 years; it appears to me they know what they are doing. :)

Specializes in Cardio-Pulmonary; Med-Surg; Private Duty.

I'm still waiting for someone to post the CMS link requiring one year of experience for nurses to do PDN....????

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