Published May 4, 2023
ForJanesSake ASN RN, ASN
26 Posts
Hello everyone,
I'm looking for some sound advice.
I'm in an ADN, program and has to withdraw the previous semester due to poor grades. I was working full time and in I school(what was I thinking), I quit my job in December to focus on studying!
I'm passing Pharm this semester but struggling with Medsurg. I need an 85 to pass the final. I have been studying endlessly, and practicing questions along with working on trusting my Gut, trusting myself, and lowering my testing anxiety.
Here's my dilemma, my professor doesn't review exams so it's impossible to correct my mistakes. Instead she shows the test Key and asks "did you pick that”… "you're not reading the question".
For our 3rd exam, 2 students out of the entire class passed ....this prompted the professor to review the exam. Now when I say review, she put questions up and went through them briefly while saying "the test was easy" and threw the Class 10pts to curve it.
I've spoken to other staff to explain the failure to review & having NO opportunities to go over the exam 1:1, I am met with the same response each time......”how do you know where to make improvements?”.
Now, I know other professors do things differently because I've witnessed it and it makes aworld of difference,however that is not the case with this professor.(edit: our handbook says we have the right to a post exam review with a critique on how we can make adjustments) HA!
My other professor has told me that we have the right to contest a question as long as we provide proof of the resource.... But I can't do that if I don't know know where my mistake was.
Q1.Please share advice of any kind, I have spoken to my professor several times and have been dismissed, I have also gone up the chain(RN coord) and was told that I'm unable to withdraw twice(I have never failed any class) because it would be my "third time trying", upon reviewing mystudent handbook, I found this to be 100% False. This leaves me to go up the chain of command and follow up with the Allied health Chair person. Another Professor told me if I fail I can appeal the grade which says alot coming from the Professor who said it.
Q2. Appealing the grade would mean that I would have to take this SAME Professor for theupcoming semester (Fall2023).
Please share any advice, as I know in my heart that I can't be the only student who has been in this situation.
With love,Jane.
FiremedicMike, BSN, RN, EMT-P
550 Posts
I think it is pretty universal that failing twice means dismissal from the program. Most programs treat withdrawal in lieu of failing to be the same as failing, the only advantage is you don't wreck your GPA in the process.
It sucks you can't review your exams, my program was like that too. They would review concepts but not directly say what I answered or why it was wrong. It was extremely frustrating.
I don't have super great advice on your situation, other than to say that what you describe is a pretty typical experience.
londonflo
2,987 Posts
ForJanesSake said: I have been studying endlessly, and practicing questions along with working on trusting my Gut, trusting myself, and lowering my testing anxiety.
I have been studying endlessly, and practicing questions along with working on trusting my Gut, trusting myself, and lowering my testing anxiety.
ForJanesSake said: Here's my dilemma, my professor doesn't review exams so it's impossible to correct my mistakes. Instead she shows the test Key and asks "did you pick that”… "you're not reading the question".
How does the professor discuss the test key, and ask "why did you pick that" without discussing the question?
Can you make an appointment with the professor during office hours?
ForJanesSake said: I need an 85 to pass the final.
I need an 85 to pass the final.
Checkout if there is a Student Success Professional counselor to help with your testing skills. An 85 to pass the final, must mean you have received C's D's on other tests.
If you do indeed fail out of the second course, this college, with improvement on your testing scores, may give you a third chance....
Okay, You want to be an RN, Take some other really tough courses at your Community College. That will strengthen your application to another program or to RETURN to this program.
.Just do NOT think I am endorsing a "For Profit Program"
FiremedicMike said: I think it is pretty universal that failing twice means dismissal from the program. Most programs treat withdrawal in lieu of failing to be the same as failing, the only advantage is you don't wreck your GPA in the process.
vintagegal, BSN, DNP, RN, NP
341 Posts
You can only change yourself, the professor isn't going to teach the way you would like to be taught. When the professor asks why you picked a certain question, they are most likely trying to get you to provide your rationale. If you look like a deer in the headlights then the professor probably feels as though you guessed on the question. This approach will not help you pass NCLEX, especially not next gen. I hate to say it, but students often face extreme difficulty when they are blaming the system vs working on introspection of their own performance. Come prepared for the test prep- state your rationales and ask questions. The professor seems like they won't give any answers away freely- this theme will continue on to orientation and preceptorship. If you don't pass the exam- that's OK! Don't be hard on yourself, just try another program if they won't let you back. Determination and resilience are key RN attributes. It's not the end of the world, and it's not the schools fault. Nursing school is hard, and this person who is teaching may not reflect your desired teaching style.
delrionurse
212 Posts
ForJanesSake said: Hello everyone, I'm looking for some sound advice. I'm in an ADN, program and has to withdraw the previous semester due to poor grades. I was working full time and in I school(what was I thinking), I quit my job in December to focus on studying! I'm passing Pharm this semester but struggling with Medsurg. I need an 85 to pass the final. I have been studying endlessly, and practicing questions along with working on trusting my Gut, trusting myself, and lowering my testing anxiety. Here's my dilemma, my professor doesn't review exams so it's impossible to correct my mistakes. Instead she shows the test Key and asks "did you pick that”… "you're not reading the question". For our 3rd exam, 2 students out of the entire class passed ....this prompted the professor to review the exam. Now when I say review, she put questions up and went through them briefly while saying "the test was easy" and threw the Class 10pts to curve it. I've spoken to other staff to explain the failure to review & having NO opportunities to go over the exam 1:1, I am met with the same response each time......”how do you know where to make improvements?”. Now, I know other professors do things differently because I've witnessed it and it makes aworld of difference,however that is not the case with this professor.(edit: our handbook says we have the right to a post exam review with a critique on how we can make adjustments) HA! My other professor has told me that we have the right to contest a question as long as we provide proof of the resource.... But I can't do that if I don't know know where my mistake was. Q1.Please share advice of any kind, I have spoken to my professor several times and have been dismissed, I have also gone up the chain(RN coord) and was told that I'm unable to withdraw twice(I have never failed any class) because it would be my "third time trying", upon reviewing mystudent handbook, I found this to be 100% False. This leaves me to go up the chain of command and follow up with the Allied health Chair person. Another Professor told me if I fail I can appeal the grade which says alot coming from the Professor who said it. Q2. Appealing the grade would mean that I would have to take this SAME Professor for theupcoming semester (Fall2023). Please share any advice, as I know in my heart that I can't be the only student who has been in this situation. With love,Jane.
Present the right to review questions to the teacher with hard copy proof, or your dean. Many professors don't want students to challenge their questions and don't tell students they can do this for EVERY exam.
CommunityRNBSN, BSN, RN
928 Posts
I feel like if the professor gives you the answer key, it is totally reasonable to expect students to go over it themselves and figure out what they did wrong. There may be a small number of questions where you can't do that, which is what office hours are for.
Let's say an exam had 100 questions, and you missed 50 of them. She gives you an answer key. As you go through them and look up the material in your book, I would expect that on 45 of them, you'd say "Ohhh I understand why I got that wrong! I'll remember that next time.” Then there may be 5 that you are truly baffled by. If, on the other hand, there are like 30 that you are baffled by, then honestly you may need to take some more pre-requisites or go back and repeat your coursework.
If you truly feel this at sea, after the professor gave you an answer key and had a brief class discussion of the answers, I think your foundational knowledge is lacking.