My OBLC experiences

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I am currently at OBLC (Officer Basic Leader Course) in Ft. Sam Houston. I will try to give a brief overview so future students can have an idea and hopefully be prepared.

I am not in the ANC (Army Nurse Corp), I am a Clinical Laboratory Officer in the MSC (Medical Service Corp). I am a licensed practical nurse and am working on my BSN.

Our class started on April 9th, 2007. This 1st week was mainly administrative type tasks, like ID cards, filling out travel vouchers, submitting dependent information, brief dental exam, immunizations, etc. We did have lectures and workshops on things like military leadership, writing skills, etc. too.

Even though the OBLC website showed a class size of about 230, our class is only about 135 soldiers.

Thoughts from week 1:

1) Many of us are prior service. Learn from the prior enlisted Army soldiers! Incredibly helpful. My prior service was Navy so some basics like military courtesies and military bearing I knew, but the Army does do many things differently. Be patient and listen. They will teach you.

2) I have noticed that a few soldiers who are straight from civilian life have had some issues with being on time for formation. Trust me, you do not want to be late!! You are not in college anymore!! This is the military. Be early!! You do not want the huge negative attention you will receive not to mention the anger of your fellow soldiers that have to be there earlier and earlier because some can't make it on time.

3) Bring all of the documents listed on the OBLC website. Makes life easier for you. Don't forget shot records. You can't prove it, you get stuck again!

4) You definitely should get at least 1 set of ACU's (Army Combat Uniform) prior to arrival. We wore PT outfit 1st day and ACU's after that. A few did not have ACU's and wore PT gear the 2nd day. You don't want to stick out like a sore thumb. There are mail order sources if you are not near a post. Don't forget ACU name tags. I ordered mine through U.S. Cavalry and am very pleased with them.

5) Do NOT fall asleep in class!! It is hot, humid and sometimes you have been up since 0330 or so. Again, you do not want this negative attention on yourself. Only water is allowed in the auditoriums and classrooms, so I bring Vivarin and take if I need. Also, standing up and moving to the back is acceptable and not a negative on you.

6) If at all possible bring a laptop or desktop computer. It will make your life easier. Bring a printer if you can. I was one of only a few that had a printer in their room so many people were coming to me to print stuff.

Thoughts from week 2:

1) Sadly we are still having issues with some people being tardy. The unfortunate consequence of this is all of us will now have to be in formation 3 times a day for accountability. This takes away from our already sporifice free time during the week. I realize this will seem strange to non prior service. In the military you are a team and even if only a few do not conform, frequently there will be consequences for the whole unit.

2) PFT (Physical Fitness Test): Oh boy, this was unpleasant for many. You would be wise to heed their advice to be in shape when you arrive here. Approximately 1/3 of my class did not pass the PFT. The test consists of push ups, sit ups, and a 2 mile run. If you fail any part, you fail it all. Most people had problems on the run. Now, usually when you fail a PFT, you are "flagged". This basically means you are ineligible for positive actions including promotion. The PFT is taken quite seriously. For those who failed, they do morning PT 5 days a week. The rest do PT 3 days a week. At the end of the course, there will be another PFT test for those who failed the 1st one. You can download an Excel spreadsheet from here which will show you what your minimums are for your gender and age:

http://www.cs.amedd.army.mil/187medbn/alpha/

I have been told direct commissions "off the street" are a special category and have 180 days to pass, but they really strive to have everyone pass before leaving OBLC.

3) This week has kicked into high gear with PowerPoint presentations. They jokingly call it "Death by PowerPoint". Some of it is interesting, other subjects quite dry. Not being able to drink coffee in there is absolutely brutal for many of us, including me. Oh well. Don't forget, standing up in the back of the class is OK if you can't stay awake.

4) A little item I did not know before this. Apparently in the Army (not sure of other services), 2nd lieutenants do not salute 1st lieutenants. I do get a salute from a 2nd lieutenant occasionally, but rarely.

5) There are a lot of E-1 through E-4's here. Here is a website showing the rank insignia: http://www.military-quotes.com/ranks/army-rank-insignia.htm

Many are just out of BCT (Basic Combat Training). Some, for whatever reason, walk by without saluting. At first myself and my classmates were unsure how we were supposed to handle this situation. Our cadre (our instructors and leadership) instructed us that we DO NOT have the authority to "smoke" them (Make them do push ups, etc.). But, they told us that if we do not correct the problem, then we are part of the problem. So, now if it happens, we get their attention and ask them if they forgot to do something. Most at this point come to attention, apologize and salute. You don't have to be an ass to help them. They get enough of that from their drill sergeants!

Thoughts from week 3:

1) The long PowerPoint days continue. We each had to give a short PowerPoint presentation. This is another time you will be happy if you have a personal computer. Also very nice to have PowerPoint installed and if you have no clue how to use PowerPoint, at least learn the basics before you get here.

2) PT continues 5 days a week for those who did not pass initially. Just another reminder that reporting here in decent physical condition will make life easier on you.

3) We are going to the field the next 3 weeks for FTX's (field training exercises). We do come back to FSH (Fort Sam Houston) on the weekends.

4) Tardiness issue has improved drastically. Thankfully, people are getting the idea now.

Thoughts from week 4:

1) Had our first FTX (Field Training Exercise). For those prior service Army/Marines, I'm sure it is a cakewalk, but for those of us who have never done this, it was a bear. Most days about 12-13 hours from reveille till your free for the day. Thursday was about 17 hours.

A rough list of tasks: M-16 & M-9(9mm) training/qualification, CBRN(Chemical,biological,radiological, nuclear) training, land navigation, 3 mile ruck march, basic tactical formations, and a practice medevac casualty exercise on Friday.

2) Gas, gas, gas! Part of your CBRN training is enduring the infamous CS Gas chamber. Look, it sucks, but everybody has to do it and you will survive. Not one of us died! You also get to put that wonderfully hot chemical protective suit and mask on in the sweltering Texas heat until your instructor tells you all clear. Fun day, heh.

3) Land navigation. You will learn how to use a compass and map to plot and navigate. There is a daytime and night time land navigation exercise.You will also be taught a basic GPS handheld and will also have a mounted land navigation exercise in a vehicle.

4) You will learn how to field strip a M16A2 rifle down and reassemble it with a complete function check within 4 minutes. Many of you will be able to do this blindfolded! I never would have believed it but I witnessed it. Unfortunately I couldn't quite get the 4 minutes blindfolded, but I felt I did quite well considering I had never even touched this weapon prior to OBLC. You will also learn how to disassemble and reassemble the 9mm, which is easier.

5) Some items to consider that may not be on your packing list:

Benadryl (if you need help sleeping)

ibufrofen (or whatever your preferred painkiller is)

moleskin plus (many people developed blisters)

luggage tags or similar for your duffel bag (they all look the same)

small knife/multi-purpose tool (always useful in the field)

sunscreen (this is Texas!)

bug repellent (these mosquitoes can be vicious) chiggers too; also recommend a small container of repellent you can carry with you.

hand sanitizer

earplugs (up to 38 people per tent, some snore!, alarms beeping, storms; I like the silicone type)

wet wipes (at this time there are no showers)

electric razor

ziploc bags (to keep stuff dry)

plenty of socks as many times they will get soaked from trekking through wet fields or if it is raining

small pillow (I got a compressible Thermarest from REI)

bed cushion (Those cots are rock hard, at least for me. I bought a roll able, self-inflating bed roll from the PX)

hyrdrocortisone/Benadryl creme (for those inevitable bug bites)

Gatorade/Propel, etc. to flavor that nasty tasting drinking water. Many brands come in little tubes that work well in a canteen.

Small notebook (you can buy waterproof ones at the clothing sales PX)

Extra sets of ACU's (they will get wet/filthy/smelly. Consider though, it is difficult to get them completely clean again so they will unlikely be "perfect" ACU's anymore.)

Thoughts from week 5:

1) This week was group oriented type tasks versus individual tasks last week. We did things like LRC (Leader Reaction Course), MOUT (Military Operations Urban Terrain) which was 4 person teams clearing buildings and urban warfare training, 2 days of convoy ops training, and retesting for those who did not pass night and/or day land navigation last week.

2) This week still had some long days but seemed to be a slower tempo and less traveling around via the deuce and a halfs.

Thoughts from week 6:

1) The op tempo seemed higher than week 5, but still less intense than week 4. This week was the grand finale AMEDD FTX. Monday was just movement to the FOB and some CLS (Combat lifesaver) classes. Tuesday through Thursday were the exercises. There were three groups which each day rotated through the 3 main areas. We also had the BOLC (Basic Officer Leader Course) group with us this week.

2) The mornings were more training sessions, then the exercise was in the afternoon followed by the evaluation/discussion.

3) I was lucky to be picked as a "casualty" a few times. This is a good experience as you get to see the whole process from a 1st hand perspective. Volunteer for this if is offered to you.

4) Friday we did a 5 mile road march and then toured a scaled down CSH (Combat Support Hospital).

Thoughts from week 7:

1) Last week!! The tempo was definitely more relaxed this week. Still doing PT. Another PT test was administered for those that did not pass initially.

2) More classes on subjects like OER (Officer Evaluation Reports), NCOER (Non-Commissioned Officer Reports), writing awards, etc.

Officership type material.

3) Next week we enter our AOC specific tracks.

4) Graduation ceremony was fairly quick and easy. Family members were allowed. Our uniform was ACU's.

Well, it's done for me now. Hopefully this information will make future OBLC students transition into the Army a bit smoother.

1LT Joseph L Cheser

Specializes in OR.

A couple of questions about the Reserve FTX. Is the FTX 7 days a week or are the week ends off? I heard no showers and the bathrooms are bad. Just wondering how bad.PFT every day?

Greetings,

I will be attending OBLC in Jan 09, and I have two questions;

1- What is the pass rate for the class or what percentage is dropped or recycled?

2- As direct commission, I swore in once already to Res and I need to again 3 days before I ship. So does this mean I'm not officially in yet??

...that being said I'm OCD as well ;)

I say that...but to me it DOES matter ;) I wanted to share to peeps that it's not always a huge deal as long as you meet that minimum threshold... at a personal level I feel it's always good to 'grow through struggle' :) I've got several 299 but never broken the 300 due to my run time... i've been 1sec over on several occasions - argghhh!

300 is the max and 180 is the minimum? Looks like the only thing I would have trouble with is the run time... I am able to max with the sit-up / push-up...

armybound1,

1. I'm not sure at your OBC... when I went through OBC the large majority pass - they want/need you to successfully pass unless there is a severe problem in an area. When I went through the people that didn't pass had developed medical problems or injuries and stayed to do the OBC again..... but every opportunity seemed to be afforded to them.

2. You should be commissioned on the date of your DA FORM 71 which you signed. That form determines your commissioning date.

Perhaps you did an unofficial formal ceremony? Did you sign a form stating the commissioning oath and have your witness sign it?

Thanks for your response,

I have signed a DA 71 which put me in as a reserve commissioned officer, sort of a delayed entry for us ps enlisted. I believe the next must be for AD status.

[color=olive]hi armybound,

[color=olive]i am currently at oblc and hope that i can answer your questions. i am now in week 5 of 10. i know that it states 9 weeks but it really is ten whenever you plot the start and end dates on a calendar. at least that is how it is for the nurse corp, for those that have to attend longer than a two-week track after graduation from amedd, then it could be longer. they have changed everything since the last class and we are the first to go through the new course.

[color=olive]as far as recycling, you will be recycled if you injure yourself where you cannot do any of the activities, miss more than the allowed time, and/or have surgery. right now we have two who are being snow birded. we also had one rc who withdrew. we have a total of approximately 270 ad and 100 rc with us right now.

[color=olive]you will take your usar oath first as this is how we all enter the army. i guess you could say that you are not official…however all that it means is that you are not official to the ad (active duty) component, and doing it again three days prior to leaving for oblc is normal. that is how i did it and the others before me who entered into ad. the time between my first commission (rc) and second was 10 months. so do not worry. from what i have been told, our time does not start until we reach our post...then your three to six year commitment begins.

[color=olive]their goal is to get everyone to pass. there are events where you will qualify but if you do not...then that is ok...they want you to be exposed to it. you need to pass land nav (you will be given 2 opportunities)...both day and night, your afpt (which you will have 2 opportunities, as well as 180 after completing oblc), events where you will have to reassemble/disassemble a radio, 9mm, m16, and 9-line. these events are not so hard. trust me when i say that i came in knowing absolutely nothing and have been able to pass and qualify on each event. there are other direct commissions who have to redo the land nav because they did not find their points and/or came in after the 4-hour time limit. the rc component does not have to qualify or pass anything…i am not sure why as i am ad.

[color=olive]anyway, i hope that i have answered your questions. keep in mind that you will spend three weeks out in the field, with the weekends back on post. i start my third and final week on monday. the first couple of days here, back at the school house, were rough but that was due to issues with my room mate and now that the week is over…i feel so much better. many dreaded coming out to the field but overall we are having a great time. i have found myself doing things that i never thought possible. i have found that when you set your mind to something you will do fine. at first i thought that shooting would be intimidating but i did extremely well, better than some of the prior service. clearing a building is also fun. i did not think that i would enjoy it as much as i did. our group really took it seriously and the cadre was impressed by us.

[color=olive]one thing that you should not do is bring a cell...we have had issues with this and many were confiscated. they do search the tents for them as they did that with our class...only if they suspect that someone has one. one of the rc had her phone on her and it was ringing while we were on the firing range. needless to say there were many who brought theirs with them that were angry. they are considering it an integrity issue and you will be removed from the course if they instruct you not to bring one and they find it on you. just a warning...keep in mind that there are phones there and you can access one. i have called home.

GetNPhd- Great info!! Thanks for the response. The thing I'm most concerned about is the run which has never been my strong point. Sooo, you need to pass the APFT prior to graduation or you get recycled? I need to really work on my running as I can max the other two. Far as packing, did you have your BDU's before you got there and any other suggestions far as uniforms or packing? and do you recommend any on line suppliers? Also is a laptop needed?? Sorry for all the questions but my recruiter abandoned me p the swear in!

I wish you continued success in OBLC, I'm sure you will do just fine now!!!

Thanks Again!!:p

No, you will not get recycled if you do not pass the test. You will not graduate, or so I have been told...I really do not know the specifics of passing/failing. I can let you know when I find out in a few weeks. It will hurt you if you are in the nurse track and want to take a leadership role during the trauma course as those go out to the ones who pass the test the first time. However, there are opportunities to pass and if you do not pass the first time, you will be put in remedial PT which will focus on your run time. Do not worry about the run...you can do it!

I do not mind answering questions. Yes, bring your laptop, but many have not brought theirs. It is up to you whether you bring a printer or not. I do not have one and have not had to use my laptop except for one time during the past 5 weeks. Some did not bring one and have borrowed others. There is a library that you can use if you choose not to bring one. I did bring uniforms; however, my recruiter had me purchase things that were not correct...so I have wasted around $200-300. I do not have BDUs, but do have ACUs. This is the uniform that you will use. As far as PT uniforms, purchase online as they are not available here, I recommend going to US Patriot for them as they are reasonably priced. I would also recommend getting your dress blues ordered as my size is not available online or at clothing and sales. We have a dress blues inspection but due to a few of us being unable to get our sizes we are allowed to skip the inspection as the cadre understands these issues. I have found that I did not need nearly as many things as I thought that I would. I would recommend coming with one set of everything and then purchasing the rest here as you need them. As far as ordering online here, you can do that as there is a mail room at the school house that allows for you to have items shipped and/or UPS on post if you prefer to have your mail that way.

Good luck and do not over worry about the run. You could always go to a track and practice there if you want to. When you see others running...and running fast....you will be motivated to run faster. I took off 3 minutes from my time when I did my run.

More questions!!

Do you stay in 1 or 2 person rooms? and do you have to retake a physical upon arrival ? and is the Cadre enlisted or officers??

Thanks again!

Have fun in the field tmw!!!:bow:

Just a couple of things about OBLC:

1. right now, if you are required to stay on post, you WILL have a room mate in the billets. THis has been a challenge for most (lots of different personalities, and they don't always mesh well.) I've had students in the past almost get into bare knuckle, drag out, fist fights because they didn't get along. Since it is our goal to teach leadership here at OBLC, it is important that you learn to tolerate each other the best you can.

2. the APFT is important, and you must pass. But the Cadre (instructors) will work with you as much as possible. But the other thing to realize is, we simply do not do enough PT during the 1 hour session in the morning. My recommendation for everyone is to do some PT, or weight training on your own. During your lunch hour, or after work. Fort Sam has a decent Gym, and there are two main running tracks on Fort Sam. You'll just have to find some self motivation to get there...

3. In regards to recyling/failing. This does happen on rare occassions, based on many different circumstances. Mostly involving some type of medical issues. As long as you pass the APFT, the MIDTERM, and FINAL. And have "perfect" attendance during the course you should be fine. YOu cannot miss more than 24 combined hours of training during the course. I would suggest everyone comes with a positive attitude, too. You may not enjoy every aspect of the course, but try to give your best effort day in and day out. THere have been cases where students were deemed unfit based on other than physical health reasons. For some this may be the toughest training you have ever experienced.

4. We are no longer authorized to train over weekends (unless you are in the Reserve Course which last 28 days) so you will have a break between each FTX. We observe All federal holidays, but unless the schedule permits, we may have to train on Training Holidays from time to time. I believe this is the case for the upcoming January 2009 course.

5. I would recommend to everyone to purchase a set of Combat Boots before you get to OBLC. It takes some time for them to "break in." THe first day of your first FTX is Dismounted Land Navigation, and this usually takes a lot of students out, and most end up on 'soft' shoe profiles. Don't purchase the Mattahorn or Jump Boot Variety. Corcoran, Oakley, Altama all make a very comfortable "Sneaker Style" boot, that are authorized for wear. I prefer Oakley boots. You can get them cheaper at USSTANDARDISSUE.COM. The Oakleys (as well as the other Sneaker style) are much lighter and have a shorter break in period than the issued combat boot. You can buy all military SPEC Oakley Glasses there as well. As long as your boots are 8 inches high and don't have any zippers or tabs on them, you are fine.

6. If you are prior service, and actually went through a Rapid Fielding Initiative (RFI) during your prior service time, CIF here will not issue you Ballistic Eye wear. If you have a set, I would suggest you bring them. You'll need them during the FTX's, especially during the M16 and M9 range.

7. At some point while you are here you will have to conduct an uniform inspection in your dress uniform. the requirement for active duty is Dress Blues, and Reserve/NG soldiers will wear the Class A Uniform. If you are purchasing your Dress Blues, I would suggest everyone purchase the Low waisted/straight waisted pants with belt loops as opposed to the high-waisted suspender pants. We will be transitioning to the new Army Service Uniform in the near future. It'll save you some money when the transition takes place. A few students have attempted to purchase these uniforms at local ALteration shops around fort sam, I would recommend you do not utilize this route. It may be cheaper, but some students have ended up with uniforms in the wrong color. If the CLothing and Sales On post does not have the uniform you can try the AAFES.COM website or even the MARLOWWHITE.COM website.

8. Clothing & Sales here is "extremely limited" when it comes to uniform stockage. They have plenty of ACU's, but are always short on the dress and PT uniforms. For the JAN 09 class you will need the full Winter PT uniform with long sleeve shirt. Also, try to purchase the Unversal green cold weather cap as opposed to the black cold weather cap. The green one will be the only authorized cap in the future. It'll save you some money now. And don't forget a set of black gloves. The AAFES.COM site will have all your military uniforms, if you wish to purchase them prior to arrival (might be a good idea, if you can afford it right now.) But it may take up to two weeks to receive the items.

9. Here are a few places you can purchase military spec uniform items. I am NOT affiliated with any of these sites, nor will I get a kick back if you go there. As an instructor I feel it is important for everyone to be successful from the start.

For uniforms:

http://www.Rangerjoes.com - they sell everything you can imagine, and they ship a lot faster than AAFES does

http://www.marlowwhite.com - for your dress uniforms if the Clothing&Sales is all dried up.

http://www.AAFES.com - has everything the other two sites have, but you will need a Military ID card for access

http://www.ALTAMA.com - spec issue, sneaker style boots

http://www.USSTANDARDISSUE.com - everything Oakley for the military. Much cheaper than going to any other store. You will need an ID card as well

http://www.USCAV.com - just like Ranger Joes.

Any other questions, feel free to ask.

More questions!!

Do you stay in 1 or 2 person rooms? and do you have to retake a physical upon arrival ? and is the Cadre enlisted or officers??

Thanks again!

Have fun in the field tmw!!!:bow:

The Cadre:

10 Army officer instructors

35 Civilian instructors - all prior service senior NCO's from different MOS's, 4 are commissioned officers assigned to reserve units

3 Non-Commissioned Officer Instructors

good summary grinch1976!

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