Methadone withdrawal

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So I've got this kid. Mom's been in a methadone program for two years now. He's ten days old, had been weaning with phenobarb, but yesterday they started 0.5mg/kg of morphine because his Finnegans were consistently around 15. Overnight he was getting 7s. I come in, never had the kid before, and I'm adding up to 14, 12, etc. So we increase the morphine from q6h to q4h. Hand to god, the kid gets WORSE. Won't eat (while the previous two feedings he took 35ml), writhing around, red puffy eyes, just miserable. The lowest score I got, half an hour after his last dose, was 6. He's dead asleep, but he's jittery (yes, asleep), tachypneic, congested, flaring, and I know he's got that diaper rash. So the resident, bless her heart, starts giving me static about how she's going to have to write for more morphine if I keep scoring him like this, etc, while she was actually at my bedside one time when I scored him and certainly didn't disagree with anything I found. I, uh, may have asked her if she was asking me to falsely document a low score, but in my defense it was shift change.

So my question, other than how best to hide said resident's body, is what are we missing? Baby gets almost no visitors; mom and dad come in for around five minutes per day and don't touch him, so I spent as much time holding him as I could, but clearly that's not enough. Do any of you use something OTHER than morphine to wean kids off mom's methadone? Clearly just increasing his frequency isn't working.

We use a methadone taper. They have a chart they look at to determine when to wean based on the scores we give them. My last kid on one also had ativan that we taperd off of as well. She was out of control.

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Most of you are lucky. In our unit these kiddos go cold turkey until they start having trouble. Then it is usually just a one time dose of Phenobarb, more if we can get the docs to listen to us. A darkened quiet area is best. Swaddling if tolerated. No verbal stim. Minimal to no eye contact as sometimes eye contact is too much stim. We sometimes will put a bili mask on them. Sometimes feeding with infant facing a blank wall will help. I agree with thickened formula as the loose stools can cause horrible diaper rashes. I prefer a swing to the motion crib, with heart sound bear to help soothe.

These squirts bring ears to my eyes :cry: because it is not fair.

Have a good day:nuke:

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We tend to wait on these kids a little bit, but once their scores go above 7 or so for more than 24 hours (we use the NAS score...is that the same as a Finnegan?), we treat with Methadone.

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We start scoring them at birth, but we don't medicate them until they have 3 consecutive scores of 8 or higher. Realized that didn't get clarified earlier.

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we use NAS as well. We have never used Methadone tho, but I have read articles supporting it. Our docs tend to not try new things without t he rest of the world trying it first :banghead:

My state has just passed a new law that states if a mom delivers with a +drug screen for opiates etc, they are discharged to jail:yeah:.Can't remember if baby has to have +urine or not, but it is about time.

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My state has just passed a new law that states if a mom delivers with a +drug screen for opiates etc, they are discharged to jail:yeah:.Can't remember if baby has to have +urine or not, but it is about time.

What if mom got opiates during labor?

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these are the labs that are drawn on admission, any mom that has either NPC or late PNC, or the one's that come in obviously under the influence of something.

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This is an interesting thread.In my ICN we use morphine.Its based on weight and is given Q3H with a half dose that can be given Q1.5 hours.The next 24 hours all doses are added up and the dose is increased based on this.It works good but these babies suffer something fierce even with all the comfort measures already mentioned.Dark room,swing,quiet as possible,lightly dressed,heavy duty diaper cream before breakdown,high calorie formula,minimal stimuli just to name a few.It often takes 6 weeks or more to do it correctly.It is a horror to watch.Some mothers will breast feed and if they are reliable which few are the baby does well from the methadone in the milk if its consistent.So few follow through on what they say they will do though

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We use Phenobarb and sometimes go to Methadone. Sometimes Methadone and later add Phenobarb. It seems like every kid is different, depending on how miserable they are.

If mom is on a Methadone program, then the baby gets to go home with her, after weaning from the Methadone. If she is non-compliant, then baby will go to foster care, or maybe home with daddy....who lives with mom!

I worry about the potential for child abuse, sending a fussy, demanding baby home with the parents. I figure that if you have six kids, and custody of none, chances are not the greatest for staying clean and doing well with the latest baby.

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these are the labs that are drawn on admission, any mom that has either NPC or late PNC, or the one's that come in obviously under the influence of something.

Ok, I just wanted to clarify. Our moms get drug screens under the same criteria as yours, I just wanted to clarify that it's for people who come in high, no, or late PNC.

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We will start with morphine and then move to methadone if the scores progressively go higher. We have had to send kids to a long term care facility because we had them for 2 months and just can't wean.

We had a kid whose mother of the year did methadone, coke and heroin and as a topper a little crystal.....we had to intubate and put that kid in a coma to detox him. It was the worst withdrawl I have ever seen...the kid would scream, seize, pass out, wake up and go ballistic. Enough was enough and the attending put the kid out. He was paralyzed for 16 days...we would try to wake him up every few days and his scores would skyrocket as soon as he was awake. Poor kid. We had him on a vec gtt, morphine and methadone gtts with boluses of versed.

We have 5 meth kids now......we all need earplugs and vodka in the freezer. The one mom said....my other 5 kids didn't do this, and they were all meth kids. Good god lady, stop having kids.

Anywho...after meds, we swaddle, put in a dark corner, cover the bed, get the swing or vibrating chair out.

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correct. We sometimes have mom's coming in with Methadone doses of 100mg+ It is just horrible....

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