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Joined: May 27, '05; Posts: 280 (32% Liked) ; Likes: 247
Inservice Education Coordinator; from US
Specialty: 22 year(s) of experience in Geriatrics and Quality Improvement,

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    We have been running a pretty good LTC ursing Rehab program, but we are trying to expand and make it GREAT.
    I need one piece of advice which of course affects the State Survey.
    How (1)often and (2)when does a nurse/Rehab aide have to wash their hands when providing a Dining Rehab service to 2-3 residents.
    How often?

    Conflicting information on these few words. This is a in a normal, non c-diff, non-infectious situation.
    Residents are in various clinical states, with similar needs for dining programs, not being fed (they are limited to Extensive asssit).


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    The State Operations Manual(SOM) is 600+ pages long, and much of it does not apply directly to Nurses.
    Try researchign something like .. QIS manual or Guidelines to Surveyors for XX subject.
    Essentially, follow the policies of the facility you are in. The policies are guided by the SOM, I (prettymuch) guarantee it, or the facility is not in compliance. Read your policies, because at the top is a listing that says CFR or F-Tag, if the policy interests you, then research the CFR# or F-Tag number. One is federal, one is state. Good Luck, keep your head Policy minded, keep yourself in league with the policies, and you should be OK.

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    amoLucia and TheCommuter like this.

    I am grateful to : The Commuter : for giving some kudos to LTC. It is a sad state though that provides no support, no linear system to ensure the proper care and education for the LTC population.
    In my orientation practices, there is structure, specific pairing and skills checklists. You are entering a SKILLED NURSING FACILITY. You will use those skills, or you will not make it out of orientation.
    When I started this position, I was left a laundry list of things by my redecessor of what had to be covered. Although she had an ad-hoc approach, she covered EVERYTHING that could be taught. Our approach was different, but our goal was the same, Educate the new employees to ensure their competence. Then test. remediate, then test, Sepearte Workforce Training from Education. Provide opportunities for both.
    Thats how it gets done where I am. Feel free to come to NY, and join me in a place where Education matters. A. Lot.

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    I wish you the best of luck. Its the best challenging position I have held, and that includes starting a Nursing Rehab program at my facility. I love it. I hope you will too.

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    lecavalier4 and poopylala like this.

    Well, I have been doing it only for a year, and I can tell you in for my MSN, the focus initially was on theroy, and then my ability to remember how to be a nurse on the floor(clinical skills) then it got into teaching the adult learner and the psychology of how people learn. I love it. I spend my day with a little research, reviewing best practices for nurses, teaching those best practices, helping to update policy and procedure in a cohesive and clinically pertinent manner. I get to have coffee with people who are struggling, while we review on a 1:1 basis what the stumbling blocks are. I get to adjust my work schedule, i get to see all the shifts and assist with CODE calls. I get to have 6 colleges come through my facility all different learning levels....CNA, LPN, RN, NP, Dental, Leadership, Internship..... and they pay me for it. And I get to put my own spin on it to make it fun. When is the last time you saw a classroom full of people laughing while you taught them about ALS? Thats how I spend my day.

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    Ok, I really cannot find this product, and 2 nurses have told me.. Oh yeah!! That exists!!

    Trying to get a urine sample from a catheter, there is a transfer saddle device that goes over the silicone port, in which you can just snap in the vial to the vacutainer end, and the urine magically shoots into the vial.

    Explained another way...

    So, it looks like a standard vacutainer, but it has a piercing pin on the end that will puncture the port on a urine catheter. Then I can just attache the vial and the urine transfers to it from the tubing.

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    As an educator in a LTC facility, I lack the glamour of the ED, Mother/Baby and even the MD office for that matter. Im in LTC.. But I often have to draw a hard line for whats real and whats not. I have my own orientees and students from 4 surrounding colleges come for clinicals and I interact with them all. I ask them what TV shows they watched growing up. What nickelodeon TV or MTV or whatver genre they are seeming to come from. I remind them that the show needed to go on, and things were resolved in 30 minutes or 60 minutes, and life went on. They cant and dont feel the anguish of the mistake, because the show moves you on to another subject/topic or love scene. In real life a huge difference difference is - Nurses remember everything, and if you were to do an act that is not compliant with good health care delivery, a Nurse will remember.
    That Greys Anatomy is all "goo goo" is great. But after a tour around the facility, I ask them if they can visualize it actually happening in these halls, in this room, in that stairway. They cant. I use the enviornment they are experiencing and ask of they can see the same thing happening from TV to real life, and also discuss Immediate Jeopardy definitions and other legal aspects that are magically ignored when TV happens. I give them real life senarios from right around us, as I read Legal Nursing articles consistently, and report on them to the facility I serve and the students that come. Good luck,

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    SO RIGHT!! I neede the "actual delivery of food/beverage from receptacle to mouth (or other means)" part of the answer.

    THAT Is the difference. Im trying to explain it to people.. but the manual states, Staff must set up the tray, cut the meat, open containers and HAND HIM THE UTENCILS.. the bold part is the Limited ( I tried to explain) the rest is SET UP.. Staff Performance, not resident performance...... so they were trying to include the cut up the food as LIMITED..

    Ah, thank you thank you thank you.

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    OK, just one question:
    For Dining... how do you describe Supervised Vs. Limited.

    I know the definitions, I want the semantics....

    Supervised/set up: opened tray items, cut up food, observed during meals, documented intake.


    Limited/One: opened tray items, cut up food, observed during meals, documented intake.

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    In my facility we hold a weekly meeting. In attendance are: Medcare coordinator / MDS coordinator, PT/OT/ST and Nursing Rehab. And any students we have that are involved in these departments, so they can see an interdiscpilnary approach to care provisions.
    We discuss projected outcomes, participation levels and any issues affecting the resident.
    In that regard:
    Do we need saturday therpapy for any reason? i.e: resident with outside appointment on any given day that interferes with therapy? Is the appointment in the AM or afternoon that Therapy can work around?
    Is it an ortho appt. affording WB status that would increase therapy participation?
    Is the program we are providing affording the best recovery and the residnts ability to tolerate it..
    Should we go to 3:2 split? Rehab Low? Increase therapy?
    Do we need a home visit and when for potential discharges?

    The medicare coord/MDS coord are there for dates affecting the resident, to be aware of discharges and provide MDS's appropriately. (COT's are discussed, as well as rug scores and)
    Also, we have Med B's and maintenence therapy to discuss. All the same issues are discussed, as well as Nursing Rehab transitions.

    We also have a much more informal, therapy/nurse on unit meeting lasting 3-5 minutes a week on each unit - to discuss any ADL declines for any residdnt, so we may obtain assessments as needed before the therapy/case mix/obra meetings.

    This all happens in a 400+ bed facility.

    Hope this helps.

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    LockportRN likes this.

    Im sorry this happened to you. Where I am, we report to the nurses we see, when see somenone/anyone is back from a day off or a week off.
    Also, our computer system takes out all info upon 'discharge' for any reason, and .. from this point I can only say, if communication is nto forth coming in this regard, you can alsways ask when getting report..
    Are there any dishcarges for any reason?

    It may be that 48* later, in that LTC facility it is 'old news'.
    Some residents we talk about for years, some we dont.

    The nurses on duty in the previous 48* should have removed the medications too, and returned them to pharmacy.

    Again, Im sorry you found out this way.

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    Is there one list 9there used to be in the 2.0 manual) of the Psychotropics currently being 'accounted for' ..
    I know Med Pass put one out.... but I cant read the list anymore - too many markings on it!

    Thanks for any help you can give me.

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    Do you mean to say that she cannot put the ARD as 10/12/12 for a look back of that period, and signature today? OR she should have the ARD as 10/12/12 and signature 10/18/12? By putting the signatures 10/18/12, the document will lock normally, and making any later date for signature (as in today) it wont lock normally. I said.. there has to be a late submission then, but I dont work the system so I dont know if something like that even exists in sumissions.

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    OK, Im helping a friend who dosent even know AllNurses, but will be a convert when I am done.. Im sure!
    She forgot to put in an MDS that should have been done in October.
    Should she:
    Send out the e-mail request with the ARD as it should have been, and signature 7 days from that? She thinks it is legal, becuase the info is collected is from that timeframe. I say its not, because you are esentially back dating. I think you cant do a pain or cognitive interview at this point and call it that point....
    Do the MDS with the ARD, but a signature date of now/today, and a late submission?

    She told a few people that the first option I mentioined is not illegal.
    I cant see how it isnt. Im having a problem with the whole thing.
    She is waiting on my responsee, and we are both scouring the manual.. help!!

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    The manual is online at
    There are videos available on you tube.

    The only time I code total is when I have complete non participation in the task by the resident. Remember, that is the qualification.
    In this instance the person that held on is not participating in the task, there is no benefit to the staff for the fact that he can hold the bars.