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Well I work in the hospital across the street from Rio Grande Regional. I have to say im not surprised they went union. We share a lot of the same doctors and staff. Let me tell you, a lot of people here are tired of the way doctors are treating nurses and other staff. Now with Doctors Hospital at Rennaisance in full operation, management are cutting hours and just plain bullying staff. We went from working 80 in two week to 72 and now want us to come in at 645 instead of 630. Mandatory late stay, mandatory overtime, no uniform allowance, no hospital laundered scrubs for staff not even surgery. I wish the union would come across the street to us!!!
All this from a thread that was originally started 3-28-02......wow, it did not get much response then....why bring this thread back to life CSTCFA ???
The facts have changed quite a bit in the last 4---nearly 5 years.
Boy does someone have a burr under their saddle! As an OR nurse I feel absolutely no need to "fight for my job" nor do I feel threatened by any CST/FA/ORT. We have totally different jobs and it requires both of us. I *DO* have surgeons sticking up for me as well as other RN coworkers. Do surgeons get testy with RNs? with CSTs etc.? Sure!! They get testy with one another and themselves for that matter. They demand and scream "I always want xxxsuture on my card for xxx cases..." yet the next xxx case they scream that they always want yyysuture on the card. :trout: Whatever! ROFL
Yes, an NP can bill. RNFAs may not be able to round, write orders, etc. for the surgeon but by golly they can close (CST can't) and free some time for the surgeon to take care of some of those other things. You really need to get a grip. The CST is very important in the scheme of things for surgery but don't go building a pedestal for yourself, you're gonna fall off and hurt yourself.
The short answer. If you have no OR experience then they will at least pair you up with another nurse for three to six month min. Call is split up between all the nurses. Yes sometimes you do have to stay late.
Ask the same doc if he would rather have the nurse if she also had just as much experience scrubbing. Its not the scrub tech vs nurse thing, its a who knows how to scrub vs who doesnt.
Yes, at least in my state, that is what I'm saying. The problem with tech training is that it is not consistent. There are still many techs that received OTJ training and wouldn't know a lab value if it walked up and bit them on the fanny. Techs are certified at the most, and that is not mandatory. Why the snippy attitude towards RN's by the way? Most posts on this thread have been more than respectful towards techs. Techs are needed in the OR, but they do not have the proper training to assess patients. End of story. I'm not going to bother arguing with you further-it's kind of a moot point for me to wonder if techs can circulate because it's not going to happen.(at least where I am). I wish you the best of luck though. Just remember, in order to get respect, you have to give it. Trying to pick fights among members of what is supposed to be a team is childish and self centered.Remember, patients are the focus, not your ego. Hate to point the troll finger but you have all of 2 posts on this board, and both have been antagonistic in tone. Done here, because I don't like to engage in troll feeding.
Why Do nurses have to fight for respect in the OR? When Certified Surgical Techs. and Certified First Assistant dont. Why do nurses know nothing about surgery when they come out of school (ADN or BSN)? Why are nurses fighting to keep there jobs in the OR? Why do nurses feel threatened by CST CFA's? If nurses are so much better why feel threatened? Is it because Certified Surgical Techs. and Certified First Assistant are trained for the OR?
Why do RNFA's think they will lighten the surgeons case load? Its not like you can round for them write there orders for them do a central line placement or read a x ray for them. You cant bill Medicare & Medicaid. You are not Nurse Practitioners oh can they bill medicare or medicaid lol. I know PA's can lmao.
Lets talk about how bad the doctors make fun of the nurses. I hate to tell you all this, but even the experieced nurses The doctors dont like you. They dont like the chip on your shoulders. Why havent you wondered why the Surgeons are not sticking up for you. This is why you have a tough time in passing legislation or why they will not let you use the wording you want in the legislation.
Then its not OJT it is part of there clinicals or are you talking about the 3 month orientation. You must be part of a University hospital school where there are a lot of students.
OK if they are CST's they had have to go through an accredited school. ST's and ORT's ARE DIFFERENT
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Nurses are needed in the OR just not in large numbers.
Like I said earlier nothing is worng with RN;s in the OR. They are needed!
Well then we know, someone who is OJT is not A CST!
OJT or is it part of there Clinicals in school. If it is OJT then they are not CST's. Remember CST's are trained just for the OR. They have 6 months to a year of Clinicals in the OR learning from other CST's and RN's ect.
I am sorry if i sounded snippy it was not my intention. I dont see why any one would get upset with what i said. Unless it was true. With 4 states already having CFA's to get Licensure or Registration and more to come, I hate to tell you it is not the end of story. As AST is pushing foward with higher education for CST's and CFA's, I see this discussion is just starting. Which by the way no CST within the past 10+ years has been On The Job Trained. With the nursing shortage rising, health care costs also rising, and most states with no laws saying that a RN and ONLY RN Must Circulate. I see why AORN is up in arms about this. Like you said MOST of the post were respectfull. What fuels and starts OR wars is comments, discussion boards, and articles like these. Keep the politics out of the work place. Troll feeding get a life. This is the reason why nurses are fighting to get respect in the OR. People like you who can not have a disscussion with out name calling or being immature. Nothing i said was worng.
So what you are saying is only a nurse can check lab values, consents, orders ect. This is a way for nurses to justify there numbers in the OR. I dont want to slam nurses either but come on. Im not saying nurses shouldnt be in the OR. What would a tech do for a conscience sedation case, or a code? Nurses are needed in the OR just not in large numbers. By the way if the Tech school you went to didnt teach basic ekg or labs then shame on that school and the student.
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