Medical DQ Air Force

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45 y/o

Nurse Practitioner

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I recently completed my physical. All went well until the very last part; review of lab results. The flight surgeon told me she was going to bump it up to her C.O. but I am pretty sure I received a DQ due to thrombocytopenia. It was not something I tried to sneak by with, everyone even my recruiter was advised of my condition prior to my physical.

Questions:

1) What is the time frame for sending a DQ up to the Air Force Surgeon General?

2) Anyone have a similar event they would like to discuss?

Any information would be very much appreciated.

Specializes in ICU- adults, Flight RN peds/neo.
hello olderthandirt2 (and a say that with a smile)

i noted you are a phd student.. how is it? i have been told there are some clinical based programs around (versus the research based ones)... when i asked mr. air force recruiter about educational opportunities (allowing for phd) his eyes glazed over....

hi jdc,

i am only newly commissioned into the ar anc. so, my phd is on my "own nickel" and it is in international public health. i do have a msn -- and i was in the phd track, but decided that pursuing this degree(phd) in nursing was not for me.

i know the university of colorado health science has a "doctorate" in nursing (which is a "research" masters equivalent? (i think).

an msn with a clinical emphasis is a "cns--master's clinical nurse specialist".

by "clinically-based programs" do you mean---emphasis on clinical (direct patient care) instead of research? i had many military msn students in my classes, but none in the phd program........phd are historically research-heavy degrees.

i probably have confused you .....sorry!

cb

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hi jdc,

i am only newly commissioned into the ar anc. so, my phd is on my "own nickel" and it is in international public health. i do have a msn -- and i was in the phd track, but decided that pursuing this degree(phd) in nursing was not for me.

i know the university of colorado health science has a "doctorate" in nursing (which is a "research" masters equivalent? (i think).

an msn with a clinical emphasis is a "cns--master's clinical nurse specialist".

by "clinically-based programs" do you mean---emphasis on clinical (direct patient care) instead of research? i had many military msn students in my classes, but none in the phd program........phd are historically research-heavy degrees.

i probably have confused you .....sorry!

cb

actually we caught rumors of the phd clinical based programs developing as my class was graduating a little over 4 years ago. basically they were supposed to attract students who were not interested in the research / teaching side... have not heard anything much less looked any up since i graduated.

my bsn had enough research for me but than more with the masters program almost one year with nursing theory/research... :yawn:

if i have to do research to get a doctorate i won't....

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Papers should have been sent to the SG this week? I am guessing because I had previously been told that they had already been sent. There was some kind of screw-up and my blood work expired before they could "type it". Yes I know my blood type but they wanted it for themselves. So here I wait again! :angryfire From what I am told once the SG makes the decision it's final for that branch. Anyway I am warming up plan B... :banghead: So you may see more posts.

Update: Still waiting!

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To clarify on the whole research PhD programs vs. graduate clinical programs....There is a degree called the Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) which is roughly the equivalent of a PhD in nursing. Instead of research focused (i.e Phd) the DNP is more oriented towards clinical application of the research. This doesn't mean you can skip research, but it doesn mean you apply existing research to formulate new ideas/programs, etc. Many nursing programs are switching or eliminating their MSN programs and combining all their nursing graduate work to 4 year DNP programs. In fact by 2015, all nurse practitioner MSN are suppose to be switched over to DNP. The reasoning is, nursing is a profession and nurses want their terminal degree to reflect their education (lawyers JD, doctor, MD, physical therapist DPT, vets, DVM, nurses DNP... etc) Anways, just google Doctor or Doctorate of Nursing Practice (DNP) and you will find lots out there. Hope this helps.

-recent BSN grad

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Specializes in ICU- adults, Flight RN peds/neo.
To clarify on the whole research PhD programs vs. graduate clinical programs....There is a degree called the Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) which is roughly the equivalent of a PhD in nursing. Instead of research focused (i.e Phd) the DNP is more oriented towards clinical application of the research. This doesn't mean you can skip research, but it doesn mean you apply existing research to formulate new ideas/programs, etc. Many nursing programs are switching or eliminating their MSN programs and combining all their nursing graduate work to 4 year DNP programs. In fact by 2015, all nurse practitioner MSN are suppose to be switched over to DNP. The reasoning is, nursing is a profession and nurses want their terminal degree to reflect their education (lawyers JD, doctor, MD, physical therapist DPT, vets, DVM, nurses DNP... etc) Anways, just google Doctor or Doctorate of Nursing Practice (DNP) and you will find lots out there. Hope this helps.

-recent BSN grad

Hi Midwesternboy,

I would add that not all DNP programs are equivalent to "nursing PhDs." At the University of Colorado Health Science--as of a year ago, the DNP students did NOT need to have a Nursing degree or "TAKE the GRE" as a prerequisite to be admitted to the DNP program. So, the admission criteria is very different. The DNP program is basically a MSN....(at this institute).

Another thing to consider, the public isn't informed about the DNP program. So, I knew of graduates with DNP that were struggling to find work---in Denver. Most of the DNPs had to take their NCLEX, which most PHD's did "long ago" in their career.

If I were paying for a degree---I would absolutely pick a PhD over a Doctorate in Nursing anyday!

cindy :)

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Hi Midwesternboy,

I would add that not all DNP programs are equivalent to "nursing PhDs." At the University of Colorado Health Science--as of a year ago, the DNP students did NOT need to have a Nursing degree or "TAKE the GRE" as a prerequisite to be admitted to the DNP program. So, the admission criteria is very different. The DNP program is basically a MSN....(at this institute).

Another thing to consider, the public isn't informed about the DNP program. So, I knew of graduates with DNP that were struggling to find work---in Denver. Most of the DNPs had to take their NCLEX, which most PHD's did "long ago" in their career.

If I were paying for a degree---I would absolutely pick a PhD over a Doctorate in Nursing anyday!

cindy :)

Most intriguing....

The public is already confused about PA's and NP's

and now we get to put a Dr in front and confuse them even more plus add to that different flavors of Dr.

Nurse: LPN, LVN, Diploma, RN (AD), RN (BSN), RN (MSN), APRN, CRNA, Nurse Anesthetist, Nurse Practitioner, Family Nurse practitioner, Pediatric Nurse Practitioner, Womens Health Nurse Practitioner, Phd, DNP.....etc.. etc...

"There are multiple doctorate degrees in nursing: Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP or DrNP), Doctor of Nursing Science (DNSc, DNS or DSN) and Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) in Nursing. The Doctor of Nursing (ND) degree has been phased out and most universities have transitioned to the DNP. Like other practice disciplines, there are two types of doctorates in nursing: research and practice. The research-oriented doctorate in nursing is generally awarded as the PhD in Nursing (an academic doctorate) or less commonly as the DNSc, DNS or DSN (a professional doctorate). The practice-oriented doctorate in nursing is currently being transitioned to the DNP (a practice or clinical doctorate) from the ND (an entry-level clinical doctorate)".

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...The AACN requires that all entry-level nurse practitioner educational programs be transitioned to the DNP degree from the Master of Science in Nursing (MSN) degree by the year 2015. The American Association of Nurse Anesthetists has followed suit, requiring the DNP (or DNAP-Doctor of Nurse Anesthesia Practice) degree for entry-level nurse anesthetist programs by the year 2025.Current nurse practitioners and nurse anesthetists who do not have a DNP degree will continue to practice and not be required to obtain the DNP...

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Nursing_Science

Mess waiting to happen!?!

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Specializes in ICU- adults, Flight RN peds/neo.

Hi all,

One last thing to add on DNP vs. PhD.

I just visited the UCHSC website on "Doctoral degrees" at http://hschealth.uchsc.edu/son/academics/doctoraldegree.htm

and they now require at least a BSN for admission to the DNP. (Forward progress!)

However, they still do not require a GRE for a "DNP or MSN" (in fact, a DNP can be considered a "post-graduate certificate" if you have a MSN and want a DNP too).

cindy

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Specializes in ICU- adults, Flight RN peds/neo.

Hi JDC,

Well, you can probably tell, "I have some feelings about this"!!!! :)

Any degree that proclaims itself a "doctorate" and doesn't require an Entrance exam OR a dissertation----is mush. No offense to those with a DNP. You have worked hard for your degree, but the name is a misnomer.....

There it is..... I said it. Nursing education institutions are "Fouling" the term Doctorate. (ie Can you get a doctorate in Chemistry or Physics without the GRE and a dissertation defense? Nope... usually they are 3-5yr degrees)

O.k., off my pulpit,

cindy

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Hi JDC,

Well, you can probably tell, "I have some feelings about this"!!!! :)

Any degree that proclaims itself a "doctorate" and doesn't require an Entrance exam OR a dissertation----is mush. No offense to those with a DNP. You have worked hard for your degree, but the name is a misnomer.....

There it is..... I said it. Nursing education institutions are "Fouling" the term Doctorate. (ie Can you get a doctorate in Chemistry or Physics without the GRE and a dissertation defense? Nope... usually they are 3-5yr degrees)

O.k., off my pulpit,

cindy

As my father who has a PhD and spent his life in education (teaching teachers how to teach).. An entrance exam and/or dissertation can be as hard or easy as the school or professor wants to make it...

Without any set standards thats what is going to happen... While that is happening all the MD's will be laughing all the way to the bank.

I could kind of understand an entrance exam to test that my knowledge is at a point where I can go to advanced to training/learning. If I could pass a test to show that I have advanced my understanding afterward wouldn't that even be better? But at no point when I am in the room with a patient has it ever come up about what nursing theorist model I am working under or what was my research/dissertation project.

I like the guild system: Learn and practice over years and be tested in a definable / defensible manner.

The research based doctorate is pretty much a 20th century invention anyway... For the most part the original degree/award required years of study and an exit exam...Also if I remember remember right the degree of M.D (professional) was developed well before the PhD (research)... Both called doctors the abbreviations behind the name are different.

So in all my ramblings above you can see I sort of agree with you but need to make the doctorate degrees different (or whatever they end up calling the degrees)...

My dad also said this :banghead: about me... Guess who he was talking about.:chuckle

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as my father who has a phd and spent his life in education (teaching teachers how to teach).. an entrance exam and/or dissertation can be as hard or easy as the school or professor wants to make it...

without any set standards thats what is going to happen... while that is happening all the md's will be laughing all the way to the bank.

i could kind of understand an entrance exam to test that my knowledge is at a point where i can go to advanced to training/learning. if i could pass a test to show that i have advanced my understanding afterward wouldn't that even be better? but at no point when i am in the room with a patient has it ever come up about what nursing theorist model i am working under or what was my research/dissertation project.

i like the guild system: learn and practice over years and be tested in a definable / defensible manner.

the research based doctorate is pretty much a 20th century invention anyway... for the most part the original degree/award required years of study and an exit exam...also if i remember remember right the degree of m.d (professional) was developed well before the phd (research)... both called doctors the abbreviations behind the name are different.

so in all my ramblings above you can see i sort of agree with you but need to make the doctorate degrees different (or whatever they end up calling the degrees)...

my dad also said this :banghead: about me... guess who he was talking about.:chuckle

if anyone from allnurses.com staff reads this:

the 5 minute edit function need tweaking!

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Specializes in OB, Med-tele, ortho.

maybe you can help! I am trying to find out the pay for a np in the air force.... do you know what they quoted you?

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