Mary Seacole: Florence Nightingale - without the wealth and publicity.

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I was reading up on Florence Nightingale and the history of nursing. It seems to me that Mary Seacole is a better role model for modern nursing.

She pushed the limits of her time without the wealth and the publicity of being friends with the editor of the London Times - like Florence.

She was not only involved with the Crimean War - she was on the front lines and not in some hospital far from the front.

She pushed the limits of nursing and scoffed at the limitations that Florence thought was 'prudent' for women of her day.

Florence Nightingale was a perfect role model for the diploma nursing programs that developed in hospitals ran by doctors in the early 20th Century: she advocated that women generally, and nurses specifically, should know their place. I just don't think that image should be paraded for modern nursing that intends to surpass such limitations.

Mary Seacole, on the other hand, created her place from wholecloth. She pushed the boundaries of what a nurse could be and envisioned nursing in a way that is more in tune with our modern goals.

In the debate about vocation vs professionalism, Nightingale was a vocationalist. Seacole: a true visionary for a profession all our own.

Mary Seacole - Wikipedia

~faith,

Timothy.

SharonH, RN

If you read many of her quotes and letters, clearly she was anything but deferential to medicine.

Thank you Sharon.

Specializes in Critical Care.
It isn't her fault that her contributions to science are excluded in favor of the lady of the lamp crap.

Oh, I perfectly agree with this.

FN should be recognized for her contributions to science. NURSING SHOULD recognize that.

The 'lady of the lamp' crap: that was a political propaganda used to define nursing, and still does today. We're 'angels' after all, not high skilled, high tech, critical thinking experts.

I don't think you disagree with me at all. I'm not for putting down FN real contributions. I'm for extinguishing the 'lamp' 'crap'.

I also think that many of the quotes attributed to her about the role of nursing have not only been taken out of context but often twisted for other purposes. If you read many of her quotes and letters, clearly she was anything but deferential to medicine.

Yes, but I have 2 points to this comments: 1. they were taken out of context ON PURPOSE to promote a particular, vocational view of nursing, and 2. Those quotes and images are the VERY SAME ones told to our nursing students still today.

FN needs a serious image overhaul. Doing so would put both OUR view of nursing, and HER real work in a more positive light. I'm not trying to diss FN so much as that particular pedastool, the 'lady with the lamp' one. It diminishes her AND, by extension, us.

And doing so would allow for other voices to shine through.

Sharon, you said it at the beginning of your post: there is some serious oversimplification of FN going on. That oversimplification, and the image it creates, is what I take issue with. That image (not the reality of FN) was constructed for a specific purpose. And, it did not have the autonomy and professionalism of nursing in mind.

~faith,

Timothy.

Timothy:

I think and hope you are right. We probably agree.

Your posting in a debate style both creates interest and argument.

Just like I learned in second semester college English class four decades ago.

This "Timeline of nursing history" is incomplete:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_nursing_history

Siri:

I was so excited to hear voices from the history books too!

Specializes in Education, Medical/Surgical.

I hope one realizes that this isn't an either/or subject. It's like comparison of do you like oranges or a visit to the mountains. We can have all without giving up any one of them. When I was at university we had an entire 4 hour semester course in Nursing History. Do they not do that anymore?

And Timothy what is a pedastool?

Specializes in Med-Surg.
That image (not the reality of FN) was constructed for a specific purpose. And, it did not have the autonomy and professionalism of nursing in mind.

~faith,

Timothy.

I agree that "images" and reality rarely, if ever, jive. I'm not sure who constructed FN's image, but

automony and "professionalism" weren't even invented then, especially not for females, so I can't see getting all judgemental on them or her. Even for the men, it was follow the King, Duke, Earl, or landowner.

Florence may not have wanted to advance "nursing" to a modern autonomous practice, her focus was on the soldiers, and she made a difference, saving hundreds of lives through nursing interventions. Plus, the had she brains to document it through statistics. Providing the first solid proof that nurses make a difference in peoples lives. To me she's worthy of a spot of honor in the history of nursing.

BTW, while she's mentioned and studied, she isn't the sole focus of nursing history as you accuse. At least not in the course I recently took. And not on the history timeline Space provided.

I take no exception to your wanting to knock FN off her pedastal, but your reasons why are a bit baffling to me.

Didn't I say I was through with this thread?

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