Management

[IVNinja300]

So I am wondering if this is everywhere? The hospital I work at is a level 1 trauma center and management/administration here is absolutely HORRIBLE!! I have been a nurse for 6 years with the last 1 1/2 here. Since I came on I have had 9 different managers for the ICU with each being the worst than before. The new one they just promoted has been a nurse less than me, without a MSN. I am just appalled by this and am thinking of quitting; but before I do I would like to make sure this doesnt happen everywhere.

[Hippy chick]

Everywhere I've been is like this! Most of the people I've seen lately in management have limited bedside experience. 1-2 years of experience and if you are a "yes" person, you are on the management track. This is why resources are wasted, and staff are pushed to the point of leaving. Managers who don't really understand what it is like to be in the trenches. They expect you to bend over backwards to help them out, come in extra to cover holes, cover their duties when they "just can't make it in". When the shoe is on the other foot and you need something FORGET IT, rules are the rules! I havee been a nurse for 2 decades. This is the worst I've seen, I'm ready to leave the profession

[TheCommuter, BSN, RN]

The new one they just promoted has been a nurse less than me, without a MSN. I am just appalled by this and am thinking of quitting; but before I do I would like to make sure this doesnt happen everywhere.

Not all organizations require nurse managers to have the MSN degree. In fact, a BSN credential suffices in many cases, and some managers are associate degree RNs.

My last two chief nursing officers were educated at the BSN level. A former nurse manager had an associate degree and was working toward an online BSN. The current chief nursing officer of the hospital where I work has been a nurse since 2006, so she became licensed the same year as me.

[martymoose, BSN, RN]

Everywhere I've been is like this! Most of the people I've seen lately in management have limited bedside experience. 1-2 years of experience and if you are a "yes" person, you are on the management track. This is why resources are wasted, and staff are pushed to the point of leaving. Managers who don't really understand what it is like to be in the trenches. They expect you to bend over backwards to help them out, come in extra to cover holes, cover their duties when they "just can't make it in". When the shoe is on the other foot and you need something FORGET IT, rules are the rules! I havee been a nurse for 2 decades. This is the worst I've seen, I'm ready to leave the profession

Yep, that about sums things up.

I think the suits want it that way- less practical experience and more booklearned means less friction.

My current boss is a yes man all the way.

[KelRN215, BSN, RN]

The Peter Principle is alive and well in healthcare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

Everywhere is like this. Good managers are rarer than bad ones.

[IVNinja300]

You have described my hospital to a T!! They want you to come in cause they are short, yet when I requested a PTO day (and filled out and turned in my slip) it was "lost"

[IVNinja300]

The hospital I was at previous was not like this at all. Yes there were days we were short staffed, but those were far and few between. Plus they treated us very well with gifts and incentives and bonuses. I would go back there but it was not critical care and that is what I love.

[llg, PhD, RN]

You're probably seeing so much manager turnover (and such unqualified managers) because the hospital can't find anyone else to do the job. Maybe an experienced nurse like you should try it and see if you can do better. If experienced nurses won't step up to the plate and try to be the leader -- then the employer is forced to go down the list until they find someone willing to do it.

It's a hard, thankless job. Qualified people willing to do it are hard to find.