LPN-RN partnership in nursing-a gentle reminder

BigC · Mar 12, 2002

Some day Mito mark my words your going to regret that post...

nur20 · Mar 12, 2002

Mito; Just to quote you;............ "I am not concerned with how an MD or a nurse with more education treats me. I will be doing my job regardless of their attitude because their assessment of abilities doesn't mean a thing to me. If, however, they have a legitimate concern over my nursing care then I will deal with that when it happens." THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY POINT!!!!!!!!!!

Brownms46 · Mar 12, 2002

Yes...Mito it would be dishonest for you to express anything else than your honest view point. I encourage you to do so.

But...first let me say...that LPN/VNs are not equal to RNs in education or scope of practice. But experience and the ability to apply the knowledge you have gain...and function as a competent practioner is the real divider. Believe it or not...but there are hundreds of LPN/VNs who could could run circles around you! Even a good CNA could make you look like a duck out of water!

For a student nurse who hasn't even passed boards yet...I'm amazed at your arrogance! :eek:

But it will be the SAME arrogance that will allow you to hang yourself....in the long run... if you continue to have a closed mind, feeling you know everything...without any real time experience. Nurses who hold this kind of thinking...scare me! :eek:

Remember what goes around ...comes around...no matter how HIGH you think you have climbed! No one is an island....and you would do well to take a much humbler attitude, and try to garner as much help as possible....as an inexperienced nurse to be.

Good Luck...because you will surely need it.. :cool:

People never cease to amazed me....

Brownms46 · Mar 12, 2002

Originally posted by jaelle
Mito....guess what? A healthcare team may include RN, LPN, CMA, CNA, Orderly, Phlebotomist, Physical Therapist, Respiratory Therapist, Housekeeper, Janitor, Admissions staff, Unit Clerk Ward Clerk, Cental stores staff, Sterile supply staff, Cook, numerous delivery people, many others, and a patient. Out of all the members of that team....guess which one is the ONLY one that matters? It isn't you, OR the LPN unfortunate enough to work with you. It's the patient. Last I checked Nursing schools WERE still teaching patient care, arent they? If you are having an attitude about irrelevant crud, don't be dim enough to think your patient isn't affected. The LPN, and the CNA will spend much more time on the average with that patient than you...the RN will. So who's most important to that patient? The person writing in their chart? Or the person who is spending time with them? I think all new RN grads should have to work total patient care for at least 6 months after graduation. Then you will understand the value of LPN's and CNA's. Do the whole job yourself first. You're an RN after all. You shouldn't need any help with the average patient load. 5-15 patients total care for a 12 hour shift. Does that sound about right all you LPN's and CNA's?

Ann Barry RN

Ann

She will be LUCKY to get only 5 pts. I have an friend in Canada...who recently had to leave her first job...after being TOTALLY overwhelmed by was she was forced to be responsible for! They threw her to the wolves...and thought nothing of it! She didn't last one month! And she didn't even have this young ladies attitude! Much she was a mature woman....who knew she needed...and wanted the help of others. She just didn't get it! And finally after having the nightmare of all nites...with seriously acute pts...crashing left and right...she threw in the towel...and sought out a internship here in the states.

Unfortunately as Big C posted..."she will regret that post"

:cool:

jaelle · Mar 12, 2002

Hey Brownie,

I try to be a tolerant and kind member of any staff I'm a part of, but as a charge nurse my favorite thing to do to uppity RN's whether they are new grads or experienced nurses was to let them take total patient care until they adjusted their attitude. If an RN can't be a be a nurse...but only an RN, only a title, then they need some time in the trenches. If it burns them out before they learn their lesson....tough. Most of the nurses I've worked with would rather work short-staffed than work with a trouble-maker. Mito will find out that there is a vast gulf between clinicals and being on the floor. Mito will also learn that smart people gather knowlege from wherever they can. Mito obviously doesn't understand that it takes more than just an RN to give excellent health care. I've noticed that people who start in the medical profession as CNA's have one of two attitudes. They either remember where they came from....and treat ALL staff with respect....or they try to get even for all the disrespect they were shown when they were CNA's by being disrespectful to others. On the average those with the second attitude make really crappy nurses.

It also gives us a reminder as nurses. Be kind to your CNA's. They may someday embarrass you to death when they become nurses and ask exactly like you have taught them to act.

A nurse is a... nurse is a... nurse ia a... nurse is a... nurse is a... nurse.

I hope that your friend does well with her internship here in the States. One of the best new grads I EVER worked with came from Canada. Unfortunately we lost her to a better hospital in Arizona.

Ann

Brownms46 · Mar 12, 2002

Dear jaelle,

I totally agree with your decision to allow a new grad who refuses to acknowledge the need to work as a team member, to bite them ...you know where..:)!

Thank you for expression of concern for my friend. She is a good, caring...intelligent person. I feel she made the right decision...even though I know she wasn't eager to leave her country to find a supportive setting..

live4today, RN · Mar 12, 2002

Hi Mito, :)

There are many valuable lessons to be learned from those already in the field of nursing, and it isn't always what students or new grads wish to hear.

One thing I learned right out of college was to "listen and observe" more than I talked. If you do not have the ability to listen and learn from those who have walked that path before you, then you will certainly fail in your efforts to become the best RN you can be.

One of my all time favorite quotes is the following quote by Woodrow Wilson: "I not only use all the brains I have, but all the brains I can borrow."

You have a great opportunity here on this BB to learn so much from nurses. Try to broaden your options by giving them a chance to share with you about nursing from a nurse's perspective, and not just from a student's perspective.

And remember: Be careful how you treat someone as you climb that ladder to success. You may have to depend on them one day for your survival because "the climb" to success is much tougher than "the fall" from success. A Chinese Proverb that I know so well is: NEVER TROUBLE TROUBLE UNTIL TROUBLE TROUBLES YOU!!! It would be to your advantage to be open to the teachings laid before you by the "seasoned nurses" all around you, whether they be around you in the physical, or just those you get to read about on the nursing bulletin boards you may belong to. I wish you nothing but the best in your endeavors to become a wonderful nurse someday! God bless you!

Grace Oz · Mar 13, 2002

Mito,

MATE!!... Come on down to Oz, 'sunshine' & let us here in the land "down under" help you lose that unhealthy attitude you so sadly have!!... SHAME SHAME SHAME!!!....

Obviously you've been affected by TOO much of that Northern Hemisphere air!!...

You'd last 1 minute here in Australia with that attitude!!...

Remember, people make choices for many & varied reasons.

The choice to become an EN ( your LPN) is NOT indicative of a lesser brain!!...

Is certainly NOT indicative of been a lesser human being!!..

No wonder there's no pace on earth! How the hell can we expect peace on earth when people can't even treat their COLLEAGUES

(yes, sunshine, you 'n' me ARE COLLEAGUES!) with respect!??!

I'm sending you some of our pure, untarnished, wholesome Southern Hemisphere air!! :cool: :cool: Hope it helps clear your thinking & improves your attitude.

Many best wishes in your future & never be afraid to learn from others, respect others or admit... you got it wrong!!

Cheers,

Grace.

leesonlpn · Mar 13, 2002

Mito - I have nursed for 22 years. I have helped many an undergrad student with a nursing dilemma.I have much more nursing experience than you right now, as with the students. You better appreciate any wisdom demonstrated to you as a student, and hang your head in shame if you think you are "above" learning anything from a seasoned LPN. If florence were here she'd box yer ears and make you fill the coal bin.

jaelle · Mar 13, 2002

Well put leesonlpn...! Bravo!

Mito · Mar 13, 2002

Lessonlpn,

I am sure the BSN students you delivered your gently reminder will benefit as much as I will from your vast experience and knowledge, I am truly humbled in your presence.

Mito

leesonlpn · Mar 13, 2002

Thank you, you may touch my cap.